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I've owned a couple of EVs in my life, and I love them and would never go back to owning an ICE car.

At the same time, I don't think I would ever want to rent an EV. Do I know that wherever I'm staying I'll be able to charge? Sure they said they had a charger but what if it's busted? Also, these days if I'm renting a car (as opposed to just Ubering) I'm usually going to use it quite a bit - having to deal with range anxiety or planning out charging stops is the last thing I want to do.

EVs are great, but the broader infrastructure is still not as convenient as gas. When I've got a car at my house I know when and where I'll charge it, but when traveling it's just an extra hassle I don't want to deal with.



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Eh... The charging is an issue. I have been in a position to rent EVs before but opted not to. If I own a Tesla, then I likely have a charger at home (and possibly at work), so dealing with charging is only an issue on my rare long haul trips (and if I frequently make long-haul trips, I probably own a gas car), which I'd be willing to put up with. If i'm renting in a city i'm visiting though:

1) I'm likely driving more than I do at home

2) I don't know if my hotel/s will have chargers

3) I am cognizant of my time and don't want to drive out of my way to sit in parking lots while my car charges

4) I might be travelling to rural areas where chargers are infrequent

Not saying that the issues you brought up are invalid, but I do think there's a demand problem.


I have rented several electric vehicles and while charging is more difficult than getting gas it isn’t really an issue.

The most challenging experience was an electric camper. It had a 100 mile max range. I drove it from LA to Seattle without major issue. The only pucker factor was around Silicon Valley where I struggled to find functional fast chargers. No shortage of chargers, just very few that work.

The state of chargers is atrocious. Many of them do not work and the apps are horrible. Signup flows that ask for too much information and don’t set form metadata for auto-completion. Just endless papercuts.

I used A Better Route Planner which does a good job of tracking what chargers actually work but still has an infuriating UI.

For a regular rental car situation I would not hesitate to get an EV. In fact that’s my preference now that I am over the learning curve.


I was just made aware of this challenge on vacation recently. I had to rent a car for just a day, more like 8 hours. I had a choice between a Tesla and a regular car. I didn't feel safe enough with the Tesla to go with that as a rental. I was 90% sure I'd be fine, maybe 98% sure I'd be fine. I wasn't driving far, I'd only have it for 8 hours or less. BUT I was in an unfamiliar city, I had no idea where a charger might be, or if I'd need one. I couldn't take the chance. What if I couldn't get it charged? It was just too scary at the time to try.

It made me wonder how often I'd be worried about finding a charger if I owned an EV.


I drive an EV and I’m still a bit unconvinced about renting one.

If my total expected mileage is practical without charging and I expect the car to start adequately charged, fine. It’s like a free tank of gas.

If not, I can’t charge at home. Charging at a hotel is a PITA. Charging first thing in the morning in cold weather without heated parking is slooooow even at a Supercharger.

And I really don’t want to deal with the utter mess of charger networks and their ridiculous membership cards.

And the usual rental model of strongly encouraging customers to return the car with a full tank of gas doesn’t really make sense for EVs.


It's not so much that chargers are hard to find, whether Tesla or otherwise, it's that they're less common and may or may not be convenient to where you're staying or where you're driving while you're on your trip. If I was going to travel somewhere and rent an EV, I'd at least look on Google maps first to see where the chargers were, something I've never felt the need to do when renting a gas car.

This isn't an insurmountable problem, but most people don't like any additional uncertainty when traveling and that extra little bit of friction is probably enough to make travelers want gas powered cars. But I can also see that changing over time as more chargers come on line and especially if hotels start becoming reliable charging destinations. If I could rent an EV and charge at my hotel, that's way more convenient than looking for a gas station.


What's the rationale for renting an EV? Isn't it more troublesome because you probably won't have a charger in whatever place your staying, so you can't charge it overnight?

It's weird to me that you have to get 60% of the way through the article before it unveils the seemingly obvious problem with Teslas, or really any EVs, as rental cars...charging. One of the major appeals of an EV is that you can charge it at home, a benefit that you don't have when you're traveling. And for now at least, hunting down a gas station in an unfamiliar area is easier and more comfortable for most people than hunting down a charging spot.

I have rented a lot of cars over the years, and wouldn’t be opposed to renting an EV for a business trip where the driving was minor. Family vacation? No. It’s a bit of a deal killer to force me to wait for charging. I allocate about seven minutes into any given car return for a visit to the gas station on the way back. That’s all. How much would I have to allocate for charging if I was required to do it? Hours?

There are a lot of questions that the general populace simply doesn’t know the answers to. It’s really easy for me to believe what was said about range anxiety as a serious contributing factor to the programs lackluster performance. It wouldn’t have undone the damage the extra depreciation cost, but commercial/popular success would’ve come with rewards.


I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs.

This was my recent experience. I was offered an EV car as a rental upgrade in a major city because the local rental place didn't have an EV charger. I figured what the hell because it was a relaxed holiday vacation. Turns out that was a hilariously bad idea.

Ended up spending at least 5-6 hours of my week vacation trying to avoid the EV going to 0% battery. Half of that time was spent on Google Maps - trying to find chargers with the right plug, ones that aren't broken, ones that were available, downloading various apps, etc. Then when I did find a charger I sat in the parking lot waiting for it to juice up.

All of that effort and I still could only give myself the miles back that I spent finding chargers, it was even funnier when the cold weather took miles away. Finally ended up luckily finding one at a local movie theater and asked family to shuttle me back and forth because of how long it took to charge.

Not a knock on EV's really, mostly the charging infrastructure and the rental experience.


Vehicle rental periods are inherently time constrained. If you’re on a business trip or vacation the last thing you want to be doing is waiting for your vehicle to charge. And, you inherently also often do not have access to private charging infrastructure which means you actively have to go out of your way to find a safe and reliable charger. And you have to do this in a strange place that you don’t know. Home charging is the critical factor that makes life with an EV appealing.

Vacations are so time constrained that a huge % of ICE renters opt to just get hosed on gas up fees that rental companies charge instead of going to any ubiquitous gas station before dropping the car off. Car drop off with a flight to catch is always a race against time.


Yep. I know most driving isn't long-distance in rental cars, but I was traveling a few weeks ago and offered an electric car instead of the hybrid I had reserved, but since I was going to be driving long distances through rural areas, I declined. Not interested in finding where the hell to charge the car, in general or close enough to the airport for it to still have an acceptable amount of charge left when I returned it, when I could just pull into any gas station and quickly refill a non-electric car.

Definitely.

I just bought an EV (Model Y) because I needed a new car (I would have waited longer if I could have), and I live in an apartment that doesn't have chargers. I work from home, so I don't have a commute, so it's not a deal breaker, but it's definitely not ideal. I live in Austin, which has a network of public chargers that you can use for only 4$ a month, so that helps, but still not ideal. With my ICE car, I can run it until the gas light goes on, and even then I know I can drive for 20 miles without worries, because there's invariably a gas station within < 5 miles away. With the EV right now, that's not the case. There are slow chargers nearby, but fast chargers are about 7 miles away.

In my situation, my worst case is that I have to go to a supercharger about once a week. I did this for the first time recently, another gripe I have is that the range I get out of the car (Model Y LR) is a lot lower than what I expected to get (~200 miles vs 330). At current gas prices, it's actually MORE expensive to charge the Tesla at a supercharger (0.38$/kWH @ 74KW capacity / 200 miles = 0.14$ a mile, than it was to fill up my Elantra at a gas station (3.50$ per gallon at 30MPG = 0.11$). If I lived in a house, obviously I would save a lot more money, since electricity prices are only like 0.11$/kWH I think.

It's an interesting problem. In dense urban environments, the infrastructure has a long way to go. However, I think this is probably the minority, since most people live in the suburbs or smaller cities in America. In those cases, they can simply charge at home, and they might have to visit a supercharger on road trips or odd cases. Therefore the demand for charging will be lower than it would be for gas cars.


The reason EV owners keep pushing back against this argument is that the experience of owning one often (obviously not always) leads to a massive recalibration of what you thought you cared about.

Road trips was something that was I was worried about when making the purchase in 2018, and it turned out to be a complete non-issue. In all that time, I have waited for a charger exactly once, for under 5 minutes, because we decided to stop at a busy outlet mall. During road trips, I'm not going to argue that we don't spend more time charging than we would stopping for gas, but it's not enough to bother me or my family, and if we include getting snacks or a bathroom break, the car is ready to go before we are.

It is wildly offset by the convenience of never having to fill up the car outside of those occasional road trips. People in the comments are talking about gas cars as the ones where you just get in and go without having to think about it -- there's very much a mirror image of that situation with an EV. When I had a gas car, fueling it was a constant chore. I had to think about it orders of magnitude more often. It simply doesn't come up with our EV. Every time it leaves the house, it does so with hundreds of miles of range. The idea of getting another car where I have to watch the gas gauge is almost reason enough that I'm going to stick with electric forever.

It is absolutely true that my experience is highly dependent on where I live, the kind of use I have for a car, the places I go, resources available to me, and just dumb luck. Others' mileage, literally, may vary. I'm not trying to sell you on this. It's just really easy to overestimate the importance of EV range.


I’m not an EV owner but plan to be one on my next purchase.

The EV renting experience is bad. I got one though Avis, I believe a Kia Niro. I was told that I’d be charged if I brought it back under 80%. It was at 81%. Ok fine, I’m driving less than 50 miles and returning it. I’ll find a charger, since my AirBNB didn’t have charger.

We tried to use the on board map to find a charging station. It took us two tries to find on that was actually public, which was at a fire station. It took over an hour to go from 70% to 85%.

I never had range anxiety about the car itself, but trying to return it full enough was anxiety inducing, even though it wasn’t that big a fee.

I feel my experience would have been really improved if 1) they made the fee be a sliding amount based on how close you returned it to where you checked out and 2) there was an onboard L1 charger you could use with a normal plug.


TBH, I've experienced it where it can go either way. I've rented gas cars and ended up at a hotel with nice L2 stations. The EV would have been easier! :)

But I've also rented EVs in metros with decent fast charging, but none at the hotel. It was fun, but charging was a notable downside.


I regularly use an EV for several weeks/months at a time and I also own an ICE car. The EV is in no way less convenient. While it takes longer to charge "on the road," I (and most people) only rarely do road trips of a length that intermittent charging is necessary. When I do, the extra 20 minutes spent at a charger is no big deal, you just plan accordingly.

On the flip side, on most days it would be much more hassle to spend 10 minutes or so refueling my ICE car instead of just driving home, connecting my EV and let it charge overnight.

Granted, I have a property that allows the installation of a charger. But so do basically all suburban Americans, many people in cities and around the world. People that live so urban that owning their own charging infrastructure is impractical are probably better served with public transport, anyway.


I can tell you from experience that leaving my EV to charge in my driveway overnight is way, way more convenient than stopping for gas (and paying a lot more for it).

I drive a lot, and I’ve ran into a situation only once where I had to find a charging station away from home. It just doesn’t happen nearly as often as people worry.


I can only speak for myself and my immediate circle, electric cars seem like a hassle because you have to plan more to charge them. I can't just go on a spontaneous trip and know that almost any point if I need to fill up I can do so, quickly.

Agreed. I've driven an EV for over 4 years and range anxiety vanished after the first few months. I live in a city with good charging options, but often have to take longer road trips to see aging parents who live in a very rural area with zero fast chargers for miles around. Yes, I need to do a top-up charge on the way down because I know I can't charge when I get there, but I'd likely have to do that in an ICE car because there are no petrol stations near them either!

I pay about 15% of what I would have previously paid for diesel, and the only maintenance I've had to do was a new tyre after running over a nail.

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