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Is this a US thing where the company doesn't want to give any reasons for firing someone because that can be used in a lawsuit against them?


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Well, in the case of firing people, generally there is no legal requirement in the US to provide a reason. I know this story isn't about the US though. It can actually hurt you to do so if it can be construed to be an illegal reason (discrimination).

Exactly. In most states companies can fire you for any reason, or even no reason. And if there is a reason, they aren't obligated to disclose it.

While this is legally true, in practicality all companies will give a reason for being fired in the US precisely because, if the employee does bring a suit alleging discrimination, "just because" isn't a reason that's likely to pass muster with a jury.

Can you point to an example in the US where someone has been fired based on an accusation without any evidence?

The employer opts not to say why the person is being fired, just that they are being fired.

Isn't it standard for companies to never/rarely disclose why an employee is being fired (or even if it is being fired)?

Just about everywhere in the US, people can be fired without any reason at all. It is up to someone who is fired to show that they were fired for a reason that is illegal.

I don't get this. From what I've heard, in the US, you don't need an excuse to fire anyone. Why bother documenting an excuse then?

Here in Canada you require a cause (under most contracts) and this would be a disaster for the company if the employee took legal action. I guess in some states you can fire people without cause?

Firing someone isn't asking a court to do something. Companies can fire you for all sorts of silly reasons and most of them aren't illegal. The employee is accusing the company of firing them for one of the illegal reasons.

Afaik, it's also legally inadvisable to ever be precise on the reason for firing, outside of performance.

So every company with a legal team errs on the side of saying as little as possible.


Not any reason, wrongful termination lawsuits happen, and companies usually have processes for firing people, reviews to document performance etc..

Well you know how that goes. It's not like that has stopped companies from firing people in the past. This is an "at will" employment state, so if they really wanted to fire people they could've made any excuse up and fire them. Actually, they wouldn't even need to make anything up.

In most of the US, you just walk into an employee's office and tell them they are fired. If you tell them a reason that is discriminatory, prepare to be sued, but most of the time you are not required to give them any reason at all.

In most of the United States you can be fired for absolutely no reason whatsoever except the boss wants to.

Yes and no. In theory, they don't need a reason. In practice, they're concerned about lawsuits, politics, and unemployment insurance.

First of all, if you sue (and you can for a number of reasons), that means litigation, even if frivolous. Secondly, most orgs don't like giving person(s) the power to fire for no reason (politics / abuse potential). Finally, unemployment insurance is a big cost; if you get "fired for cause" their rates don't go up (this systems a joke, but that's a story for another day)

So, contrary to what you might think, and people will claim on the internet, it can practically be quite hard to fire someone. You just can't sue because you got fired fired for no reason, just for other stuff (eg. discrimination)


They probably won't tell you why you were fired.

It is easier to give such feedback, as long as the reasons for firing are lawful, the company can request summary judgement. I honestly would think that a firing for no reason would be more likely to spark a lawsuit that actually goes all the way to a jury (or at least through the discovery process), than a firing where lawful reasons are given.

Companies don't fire for cause very much. It's just asking for a wrongful termination lawsuit.
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