Oh really you used an ehrlich reagent? I really doubt that:
A. you actually had those types of hallucinations if it was LSD
B. you actually tested your tab
This is because that kind of subjective effect is just not what LSD does. Full stop. It is possible that you have some underlying schizophrenic tendencies that were triggered by LSD though.
Reagents only test if what you are looking for is there. They don't tell you anything about what you are not specifically looking for. For example if you have both LSD and a NBOMe (a generally undesired analog), it won't tell you anything about the NBOMe. Furthermore, it is not that specific (it reacts to indoles). So it is possible for someone to mix an chemical that reacts with the Ehrlich test with, say, a NBOMe for effect and pass it off as LSD.
I don't know if it happens in the wild, but it is a possibility. By using more reagents, you may be more certain, but unless you take it to a lab with good enough equipment (such as GC/MS), you never know.
Long Version:
So typically it's not really "mixing" or "cutting" with LSD. What is most common with LSD is laying 25I-NBOME on a sheet and selling it as LSD. The same is done with DOX and innumerable other research chemicals. These are both relatively untested research chemicals that produce similar effects but have more potential side effects. They use these because you can (kinda) trick someone into thinking they're taking LSD because it is a trippy experience and you're unlikely to think it was not LSD. The issue with these drugs is that they kill people so one ought test their "LSD".
LSD along with DMT and mushrooms is an indole alkaloid which means (roughly) they have a shape that can fit into a serotonin receptor nicely which is what gives you the effect of tripping. So, if we can test for them we can tell if it's really LSD or some shitty analog.
Edit: Additionally, buying online helps reduce your chances of getting some shitty research chemical because:
1. A vendor typically shoots for having repeat customers.
2. If you get LSD that is not LSD, you can leave a bad review saying so. But still get a test kit.
Ehrlich's reagent will tell you if you have something in at least the same chemical family as LSD, which rules out almost all of the dangerous substances that are sometimes sold as "LSD."
I'm having trouble finding in-depth information about what a Modified Ehrlich's Reagent LSD test actually tests for. Would you mind telling me where you learned they test for any tryptamine, and any more information you might have on the matter?
A lot of the old literature describes LSD as ‘psychotomimetic’ which is entirely wrong. The hallucinations that LSD users have are entirely different from the hallucinations that schizophrenics have. There is no commonality in the experience at all.
I don't think we know enough about schizophrenia or LSD to say they are the same thing.
Most of the lsd-eaters I've talked with have talked about a visual effect called "tracers", but the handful of schizophrenics I've talked to don't talk about tracers, but they do talk about hallucinatory voices, depression, paranoia and confusion.
That said, I think that your current brain chemistry definitely affects your drug experience. If you have mental health issues, stay away from hallucinogens.
Like I said in another post, I have used psilocybin. The effects I had were not typical of what most other people described. I had a whole other set of "special effects" I experienced, consistently. After talking with many people, I found that a few other people shared virtually the same hallucinatory effects, and they seemed to have ADHD or some kind of OCD or were very tech-geeky. (And, I haven't been diagnosed, but I bite my nails and have a mild hoarding problem. That's a sign of possible OCD.)
That’s very interesting and I remember reading of ergot, but never realised it could give these sort of symptoms nor that it was what LSD had been synthesized from. Thanks for sharing.
I think you may be badly misinformed. Perhaps with a small enough dose, what you say is true.
I used to trip regularly. Lsd effects can definitely inude hallucinations!
As a matter of fact, not having strong hallucinations was often a reason to drop another tab lol.
A lot of us used to drop acid in college.... Almost everyone tripped balls.
Vitamin C, for whatever reason, seem to intensify some visual aspects. (maybe placebo)
Even if you are an experienced psychonaut, you can get yourself into a bad trip, especially by being paranoid about having a bad trip lol.
That said, Lsd was a very useful thing to have experienced. I learned from mushrooms as well, but by far my deepest experiences have been Salvia divornium. It's so deep, it's not really a recreational drug.... You have to invest, and it can be violently dissociative.
I have (obviously false) recollections of an entire different life from my experiences with Salvia.... But I got insights from those experiences that I would have been unlikely in the extreme to have had without the drug.... And those insights have served me very, very well.
In it he mentions a potential test to verify that what you receive really is LSD:
An Ehrlich test is a reagant for indole alkaloids, a category which includes psychedelics like LSD & psilocybin. As such, it can be used as a kind of quality check.
I'd assume given the rigorous treatment I've seen so far in all his posts that he probably did this test.
You're right, fake LSD is rampant and it's important to screen for it using a reagent test!
If this is the case, due to the long comeup I'd suspect the author took a drug in the DOx family. But there's no definitive telltale sign of it, a long comeup can theoretically happen on LSD as well. ^1
LSD analogues (1P-LSD, AL-LAD, ALD-52, etc.) are generally very similar to LSD, to the point where most unknowing users might not know the difference. They are also more expensive to obtain, so they are rarely ever sold as fake LSD. Some of them may even be prodrugs and therefore identical aside from slightly different potency.
Most fake LSD will instead be a different class of psychedelics entirely, usually a phenethylamine, such as the DOx class of substituted amphetamine psychedelics, or 25x-NBOMe. 25i-NBOMe is a pretty bad one.
Bromo-DragonFLY is said to be utterly horrible. Thank god it's rare.
Not all phenethylamines are bad, though, such as 2C-B and mescaline, but the ones sold as fake acid are usually terrible.
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^1: Something I find extremely fascinating -- different psychedelics are notorious for feeling wildly different to psychonauts, yet when you actually compare two psychedelics, LSD and mushrooms, a lysergamide and a tryptamine, in a double-blind controlled trial you get a list of reported subjective effects that is nearly identical. Can human language not describe the differences, or is it more based on expectation of what you think you are taking more than anything? What if you did the same study but had them write an essay instead of a list of effects? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-022-01297-2
What you think you know about psychedelic drugs is not true. If you judge what drug proponents say against what you think that you know, of course you'll find what they say dishonest. What many of them say is on a far firmer scientific footing than what you're saying.
LSD does not cause people to be schizophrenic; schizophrenia shows itself during the most likely years for people to be experimenting with drugs.
edit: and to add to what kinghajj mentioned about Philip K. Dick; Dick was on amphetamines, and amphetamines have a very established history of actually making you long-term crazy.
Based on the description it seems like he took some other research chemical and not LSD.
Key things:
- 15 minute onset
- Massive hallucinations
- Only lasted a few hours
LSD takes 45 minutes to start the effects and lasts around 12 hours. As mentioned in the article, you don’t hallucinate big scenes or things that aren’t there.
I once had a similar experience where I took some random tabs from a guy in a bar. I immediately had effects with in 15 minutes, with some big visuals. The trip was pretty intense, but not as bad as the author’s. The trip was over in around 5-6 hours. It was definitely a research chemical and not LSD.
A. you actually had those types of hallucinations if it was LSD
B. you actually tested your tab
This is because that kind of subjective effect is just not what LSD does. Full stop. It is possible that you have some underlying schizophrenic tendencies that were triggered by LSD though.
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