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Indeed, and it's a serious problem. There are really only two ways out of this mess and one is not at all like the other and both are roughly equally likely by my reckoning.


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What do you see as the way out of this mess?

Needless to say, I agree that it's a major problem, and one the full extent of which we will only experience 10-15 years in the future. One thing is for sure: something _has_ to be done now.

So far you're on point as far as I'm concerned. I'm eager to see what you have to say about reversing course.

An issue that bothers me no end is the fact that we very well could get out of this mess if we collectively wanted to.


Right. But I'm thinking if there is a way to solve this systemically (including US).

That's unfortunately the practical problem and the reality of the situation. In other words, I agree.

Absolutely, and that's a problem that needs to be addressed, but we can't fix everything at once.

I agree, but I think the situation is going to have to get even more untenable before that becomes an option, politically.

I agree with you entirely on all points. It is a bad situation.

You both said exactly what's been on my mind lately. I keep thinking, "There's got to be a better way.", in regards to fighting these issues.

Yup, it will be a mess and we need to come up with solutions. But we shouldn't let that influence the decision.

The current situation is unacceptable and needs to be resolved somehow. It doesn't matter how exactly as long as it is resolved.

I absolutely agree it is a mess for other reasons as well; but let us attack it on all angles, and I think security is the most important one these days.

I absolutely agree with you. This issue could be addressed, but won't be.

I agree. This problem is growing exponentially.

I agree, it is ultimately our problem to solve.

What are you suggesting as the solution to getting "our way out of this," then? I'm not exactly sure by what you mean in your second paragraph regarding this.

Indeed. We do have to solve the issue for everyone though, or we are hosed.

Then let's make the situation even worse until it resolves itself.

Yeah we need to work through all the issues this exposes. It’s going to be complicate and messy but it’s been inevitable for a long time.
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