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To me, unless a company is Nvidia, a stock buyback screams “we have no vision for the company’s long-term growth, let’s just prop up our options/shares for short term personal gain”.

That said, I’m not a fan of pointless acquisitions either…

Would executives actually do buybacks if they didn’t have company shares? I suspect not!

At the same time, a company shouldn’t get to underpay employees, do layoffs, and stock buybacks all in the same year…



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I don't support that. Stock buybacks are a great thing; they allow companies to return excess cash to investors, helping ensure that capital is allocated efficiency across the whole economy.

Otherwise companies are pressured to spend money just because they happen to have money, even if they don't have anything productive to spend it on. That's not a good thing.


Only a company that is decrepit and unable to figure out how to invest in their own growth and improvement does buybacks. Actually investing is a far better for long term shareholdes. Once company uses buybacks accessibly, you know the management doesn't have it.

Buying back stock only creates value for shareholders if the stock is trading for less than its intrinsic value. Above that price buybacks destroy shareholder value.

Executives are doing this to meet performance targets and get bonuses. Not to allocate capital efficiently.


A little late, but this is only somewhat true. Stock buybacks only make sense if the stock is cheap to fairly valued. You need to think of buybacks in terms of a return on equity. If a company spends $10 billion buying back stock of their overvalued company which later falls 50% in value then that company is allocating capital extremely poorly. Companies should decide whether to buy or sell stock depending the company valuation. Tesla is an example of a company which has made some incredibly smart decisions from a capital allocation perspective not from buybacks, but by issuing stock when their stock is high.

That's not to say companies won't do buybacks though, just that they have a duty to shareholders not to blindly buyback their own stock if they believe they could allocate that capital better with an acquisitions, etc. At a time like this when unprofitable, yet very innovative companies have lost a lot of value relative to big tech companies like Microsoft and Google I'd argue that they might be better off allocating that capital more towards acquisitions than buybacks.

This is also why I don't really understand why shareholders of Apple support their current buyback program. Given their stock trades at a near record-high valuation both absolutely and relative to the market large buy backs makes very little sense from a capital allocation perspective. Although I guess they would argue there is literally no where else to put those billions of dollars. Still, that doesn't mean it's a good thing for shareholders, just that they're now forced to allocate capital poorly given their size.


I disagree on one very key fundamental point:

Buybacks increase the share price, which is a typical metric for executives. This leads to a situation where it is in the interest of the exec to increase buybacks in order to drive the price up, even if the company performance is not that good.

Personally, I'm neutral except for this one thing.


Right, I'm just trying to understand the notion that stock buybacks are somehow particularly bad in this regard.

i happen to despise stock buybacks. if the company cant think of anything left in the world to invest in, i'd much rather have it as a one time dividend - even if less tax advantaged.

The only situation where buybacks are generally considered a good idea is when the company is undervalued and has sufficient profitability and cash reserves to buy back a portion of outstanding stock. This shores up the share price in the short term, and once the company is trading at higher values it can raise much more money on additional stock offerings since investors are already willing to pay a premium for the scarcer shares.

Unfortunately, asking a CEO whether their company is undervalued is like asking a barber if you need a haircut. That's how you run into situations where companies with absurd cash reserves like Apple and Microsoft are buying back their own stock, but for what purpose? They already have boatloads of cash! They don't need to raise any more!

There are plenty of simple options to deal with this. A law could require stock buybacks to be matched with dividends or taxed at a punitive rate. Alternatively, it could be mandated that buybacks require a majority of shareholder votes, thereby aligning shareholder needs with company activities.


Since a lot of CEOs don’t understand this I’ll explain/remind that buybacks create wealth for shareholders if stock is priced less than its intrinsic value and destroy wealth if overpriced. If you aren’t sure what your company is worth you should under no circumstances do buybacks.

Stock buybacks are done when a company think either 1. they are massively under valued, or 2. when there isn't a better investment for their cash.

To me, a stock buyback or dividend is a bad sign. It means the company literally can think of nothing better to do with the money than shrug and return it to shareholders. “We’re out of ideas and innovation, guys! Go find somewhere to invest this where it will be put to good use!”

I guess if you’re an electric utility that’s fine. If you’re supposed to be an innovative tech company, and you don’t know what to do with your cash???


I agree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't share buybacks exactly what you'd do if you believed your stock was undervalued?

Stock buyback?

Buybacks often don't creat value for shareholders though. When a stock is trading for more than its intrinsic value, buybacks destroy value.

Buffett/Berkshire is literally the only example I can think of where they only buyback shares when prices drop below a certain threshold. Most companies do it regardless of whether it is creating or destroying value, based only on whether they have cash authorized to spend.


A college professor explained to me in my senior capstone business strategy class why share buybacks are a terrible idea. They signal to investors that you have nothing better to do with the money than buy your own stock.

Instead of investing in R&D, buying assets, streams of income, creating new products, renovating facilities, or even paying your own people, a stock buyback says that all of those things are basically a worse ROI on the business than just handing the money over to shareholders.

In general, I think my professor was right. I think there are good reasons to potentially buy out investors and so on, but usually these programs are done under the guise of making shareholders richer, but I just don't see that as the case.

The best way to enrich shareholders is by simply giving them a dividend, or by running a more profitable business (which will drive up the stock price).

Everything else is basically financial machinations that look good, but are mostly meaningless.


Thing is. Whilst doing stock buybacks and dividends is best for the stockholders, it isn't best for the employees. Nor is it good for other stakeholders in the company.

In our modern state of stockholder supremacy, that doesn't tend to matter much. But I think it should matter more.


Isn’t a stock buyback a way of telling their shareholders “we think you would be better off investing your money elsewhere”?

There's nothing really wrong with stock buybacks. They're just a tax efficient method for companies without strong growth opportunities to return value to shareholders.

Stock buybacks are touted as a tax efficient means of providing returns to shareholders as capital gains. The other option being a dividend. If you don't think dividends are evil then you shouldn't have too much problem with buybacks.

The argument against buybacks are that they aren't very efficient -- CFOs tend to buy back when the stock price is high, and that it rewards people for not holding shares.

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