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The point is that the parents who are paying for their kids to go to these schools have already put aside the money in a 529 or other account, and if their kids get admitted, there is no question of cost to put their kids a step ahead. Given this, exclusive universities know that they can charge exorbitant prices, as they don't have any financial, moral or legal obligation to not do so. The question of cost compared to earnings that you raised is immaterial for these students, as the students will bear none of the cost.


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It's typically the opposite of what you say - the true expenses/student that a private university pays is much higher than even the richest kid pays (difference made up for by the endowment's income)

So the better question is why they don't raise prices such that the rich kids have to pay the true full price & have more money for aid for the less-rich.


That's a specific case where their client base literally does not care about the cost. $30,000 or $40,000 makes no difference to them.

Or, to take it further, it's quite likely a Veblen good: because only families that can shrug at $30,000 a year for private school will be going there, your kid will only associate with other rich kids, creating valuable romantic and professional networks.


The prices are high because they know families will subsidize the costs. Colleges also employ this same tactic.

What if they have a few kids in college? Even a public college can cost, what, $35,000 these days if out of state? What if they want to do a startup but they already have kids in private college? Sorry kids, I want to do a startup please switch to the instate public college.

My point is simply that there are other circumstances and picking an absolute number seems to be biased toward younger people with no obligations.


"Their tuition is expensive" – i.e. their fee structure excludes most American families from even having the university in their child's consideration set – is a valid reason to have them pay taxes, actually.

Right. And I think this is a whole different and also entirely interesting topic. I'm constantly surprised how many families don't simply "cut loose" their 18 year old so that they have virtually no income when filling out their FAFSA paperwork. It almost guarantees favorable student aid.

More importantly, when private universities do post their tuition, they don't post them as "max tuition pending review of financial status", but increasingly they are as no reasonable person will pay something closing in on a quarter million dollars for an undergraduate degree (I'm thinking tuition, books, supplies, food, housing, the whole shebang) that some schools these days are commanding. And I think it's because the universities spend quite a bit of effort trying to figure out how to shift the tuition to a deferment rather than a waiver or reduction. So we get a "tuition" link right next to the "financial aid" link and a wink and nod from the school because surely everybody knows those rates are negotiable.

I think I return to my main point which is that a decent undergrad education in the U.S. doesn't really have to cost $100k-$250k no matter the school one attends. However, the ridiculous rates private schools post doesn't help things. Their actual average tuition rate is likely much much lower - and the full price is a "penalty rate" for coming from money.

What's troubling is how a relatively simple breakdown like I provided earlier up this thread or yours seems to be a great mystery.


Its a valid point, but its one the government does not care about.

If you are a public funded institution, you charge the same for admission to all students.

The moment the university stop taking public funds, you can have your wealthy students subsidize the less well off classmates.


I mean I'd like to believe I'm some sort of one-percenter, but I don't believe I am. I paid full sticker price for two children and with my third there was some nonsense with institutional aid, but the hit was still way over $25000.

The problem with his central thesis though, I find is the reason behind jacking the price up. The reason isn't to make the school more prestigious, but rather to be able to soak all buyers at the proper price point. You can't state a lower tuition and then jack it up for the children of lawyers and hedge fund managers. You need to start high and then offer assistance to the children of mechanics and plumbers. (I know -- many plumbers are rich)

The funny bit is while airlines and car dealers have to resort to judgment and tricks to figure out your price point, colleges get the FAFSA handed to them.


I always think about how absurd these pricing models are. Ah yes, if you're living lavishly at $90k per annum you, too, earn the privilege of paying for your education.

I suppose at some point someone has to pay. But you're not rich at $90k. And I just don't see many of those households earning between $90-250k a year wanting to pay for such a privilege.

From my perspective, you've got to be either very rich, or very poor going into those schools, because there's no reasonable room for those in-between unless you're taking out significant life-changing debt to do so.

And after it's all said and done, you're overwhelmingly statistically unlikely to be making so much that the debt didn't even matter.


> That, in turn, means top colleges can charge pretty much whatever they want and it's still worth the money.

The most prestigious colleges actually don't charge much money, except for families that can easily pay. Financial aid, including stipends for living expenses, is extremely generous at elite schools. The sticker price might be high, but few people actually pay it.

The problem is more with second tier schools that aspire to greater prestige but have more limited financial resources. While many of these schools offer perfectly good educations, they don't really open the same kind of doors that going to a more elite school can. A big tuition price can make parents think they're sending their kid to a really elite school - just like people often will assume a more expensive diamond ring is better than a less expensive one. But it's probably not really worth the money.


I know a lot of people who were able to get into ivies or ivy league caliber schools without paying 40k. They did it on their own, for free. If you have to pay 40k to get your kid into an ivy, they probably don't belong there in the first place.

That's a bit of hyperbole. Yes, if you want your kids to go to a top private university, be prepared to pony up $200K. However, if you want them to go a state school, it's MUCH less.

And in terms of medical costs, for most people, private insurance covers a vast majority of medical expenses.


I don’t see anything wrong with this. Colleges are priced for maximum wealth extraction by charging people as much as they can possibly pay so smart families are working the system to outplay them at their own game. This is exactly the same as the medical system where prices are set based on ability to pay and not service provided.

this is because some schools are very expensive.

Because it's absolutely the norm for higher-income professional parents to pay for their kids' tuition.

I just assume that I will pay for my kids' undergrad. It's the norm where I live.


> If you're smart enough to get into an elite university, you don't have to worry about the cost. Full stop.

Absolutely not. Financial aid is dependent on parents' income and wealth, regardless of parents' willingness to actually bankroll said school. The cost is significant, rivaling the average annual gross household income, but worse because you pay high interest rates on top. Don't kid yourself, worrying about the cost dissuades lots of people.


You obviously have to balance the legitimate cost against the illegitimate costs people will incur to get kids admitted. I don't know if 3x or 10x is the right value, but it's definitely not "more is better." If you make it cost a billion dollars to legitimately buy your kid into the school, there will still be millionaires utilizing these sorts of bribes.

But then the school would be ranked as a low cost institution, and carry a stigma that many parents and students would want to avoid. There's a reason USC is raising tuition right now. Signaling that it's worth it...

My daughter is going to school in the fall, and I ran into this pricing strategy immediately. Her choice of college started tuition at over $50k/year, but offers "scholarships." These aren't Pell Grant etc, but scholarships that apply only to this institution. You get a scholarship for touring the campus. You get another scholarship for being a state resident. Eventually, you're effective tuition rate is cut in half.

This strategy is brilliant because it works on 3 axis; first, the parents feel like they're getting a good deal (since the effect of anchoring the tuition at $50k is hard to resist). Second, the school can appear elite since it charges a high tuition. Third, the student (and parents) feel good because their kid "earned" scholarships.


It's not like $37M is all they have, $37M is nothing to them, so why not? It's the price of prestige, it's the price to get the best damn education possible. Ask any parents, if it will give their children the slightest of advantages in life, parents will go out of their way to make it happen (especially if it's easy as spending money)
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