You've never heard of BLM or Antifa or 'mostly peaceful but fiery' arsons I take it. I'm not surprised if there was some outlier activity (again, instigation of the that was largely the point). But I watched it live, and there is plenty of footage still being released (why hide it?). Officers were indeed taking pictures, etc. All I'm asking for is sanity, but clearly partisanship is more important. Sad day.
It's no different than BLM members burning down cities. There's this sort of thing on both sides which don't represent the larger group.
Also, FWIW, I don't support anything remotely close to storming building, but people on the left certainly are quick to blame when I've watched exact same thing happen over the last year or two.
If you really think that no buildings had to be evacuated during BLM protests I’m not sure what news you’ve been watching or why you want to participate in this discussion.
1. Police stations were burned to the ground. Federal courthouse under sustained assault for months. $2 billion in property damage, thousands of police injured.
2. Those are what people have actually been charged with yesterday. Similarly, just because a BLM protestor is screaming kill all cops! while throwing rocks at a police car, it doesn’t make an attempted murder charge appropriate. Nor should everyone standing around chanting the same thing in the vicinity be charged with attempted murder.
All I ask is for a little logical consistency instead of the absurd political flame war.
this is a fair point, the acceptance of BLM calls for violence, rioting, and looting by the media and Democrats makes this a much smaller event than it would have been otherwise.
What happened was a failure of adequate planning and execution by the police to control an unruly crowd.
Similar to the Jan 6 Trump event, many peaceful BLM protest marches were conflated with the simultaneous violent riots. We need to make better distinction between peaceful marching, and wholesale looting and arson.
Now Antifa has been a violent, murderous group for as long as I can remember, but they've gotten a pass. Because of a complicit media, the antifa DA in Oregon, tacit approval by Democrat pols, and financial/legal aid. They are the shock troops of the Democrats after all.
A bunch of people just invaded your seat of government, killed an officer, quite possibly had much worse plans than what they actually did which only barely got avoided because the elected representatives got to safety and a suicide bomber just blew up half an office block and you are going on about bonfires in this thread as though there is some kind of equivalency. And all that before we're getting into why they did all that: a pack of lies versus many many decades of actual oppression. Stop already and re-calibrate your sense of what is normal and what isn't, because if you don't you are at risk of becoming part of the problem.
This thread is about the youtube channel of one of the instigators of this insane action against your elected officials being banned. The BLM riots - which certainly had bad aspects - are off-topic and any attempt to drag them in here is simply whataboutism.
I'm not saying the entire city is up in flames, but I've seen pretty scary pictures every night I checked of the area these two were protesting in. If a crowd of people dressed in all black is tossing stuff at police officers, I'd call that a riot.
I'm just not tremendously sympathetic to people who contribute to such an atmosphere of lawlessness and then report that their arrest wasn't entirely by the book.
I live in Brooklyn about 1/4 mile from one of the biggest BLM rally points in the country. There were tens of thousands of protestors streaming through my neighborhood for months. I 100% support their cause and there is absolutely zero damage to any local business. Every morning a cleanup crew was there picking up dropped masks or other litter from the park. There was no visible rioting anywhere. Looting was taking place 30 blocks away by opportunists who knew the police were busy attacking innocent people elsewhere. And it only lasted a few days before being shut down. The protestors were mostly normal folks. Families, old and young, all colors and genders. The absolute only goal of the protests was to get some amount of accountability for police violence. For our leaders to affirm that black lives matter. Trump simply couldn't do it. He made up the story line that this was a dangerous antifa revolution and right-wing media amplified it. It was pure disinformation. MSM coverage that the protests were mostly peaceful was accurate. MSM reporting that right-wing radicals were causing more violence was true and supported by the DHS. Fear-mongering against antifa is right-wind disinformation that you have apparently fallen for. Your belief that these stories lack of coverage represents bias is actually just your own bias. They don't deserve coverage on their merits because they aren't true.
Correct, not every major city was burned to the ground.
And yeah people shouting things doesn’t mean they’re part of a BLM protest.
Just like not every Jan. 6 rioter is part of [insert right wing group here].
Life is more complex than that and just like the Rodney King riots, things start out about one thing and devolve into another thing all the time. Sometimes it’s just about looting, no political agenda, just taking what you can when there’s an opportunity. Just watch video of kids looting Beverly Hills or people streaming into Target and walking out with large screen TVs. No signs, no slogans, no organization, just theft.
Multiple things can happen at the same time and it doesn’t mean that BLM is out there coordinating violence or looting nation wide.
That’s it? That many people are there and this is the rampant violence? Lol. This is tame as hell. We’re you clutching your pearls this much during the violent BLM protests where people actually died and buildings burned to the ground with bodies later found inside?
Do you have any evidence of armed rioters storming anything? The only video I have seen is people "armed" with flags, signs, banners, phones, and cameras. Has anyone been beaten to a pulp? Have buildings been looted, vandalized, or burned down yet? "BLM protests" gained a well deserved reputation before the police responses became aggressive. I don't recall the police doing much of anything until after they allowed "peaceful protesters" to storm and burn down the police precinct and the rioting/looting began.
Arson is in a whole different category from normal "property damage", but we don't need to go there because there are enough murders being committed by BLM protesters:
That's what "violent extremists and lawlessness" look like. This is what the Democrat-controlled Ku Klax Klan looked like when it had power, and this is what the National Socialists looked like. I hope you're proud.
When you let ANTIFA and BLM burn and loot at will, what the hell do you expect to happen? There are zero repercussions for anything now short of killing someone.
FWIW, even in the most far-right audiences I know of, I don't recall a single instance of people taking issue with the "rioters'" reactions against the police force.
I see a focus on the looting and destruction of private property that is unaffiliated with the police: a Target and an Autozone in particular. If anything, I'm seeing broad support for what's happening with regard to the MLPD.
This is not a simple partisan issue. Not even close.
A black man killed in police custody and large peaceful protest doesn't even register as a blip on any radar. It was a footnote in the media and something politicans ignore practically every month in the US.
The riots have very significantly raised this issue to the public. Sure a lot of people are just going to write it off as mindless violence (and a lot of it is) but in reality destruction of random private and community property is literally the only way that the rage can be channeled. It isn't feasible for them to burn down the police station, or else they would have.
These people are literally destroying their own community which is failing to serve them. Seems like pretty powerful message and effective imagery for the media to me.
I've participated in countless protests when I was younger. Not one them involved a police station getting set on fire. There are peaceful protests and there are riots. We've seen both this year.
Small but important distinction: the people sparking the looting/fires/etc seem to be mostly white.
And the only place you're going to have a chance to see the truth on this is in conspiracy forums and on Twitter. How trustworthy is it? Well, it is typically video footage, and it is highly unlikely to be coordinated reporting, so judge for yourself how seriously you want to trust it. But I have watched and read lots on this, and anything I have seen is that the people stirring up shit and instigating violence or destruction, are white, and the people trying to stop them verbally or physically, are black or white.
Here is a good livestream that typically shows 5 to 9 streams simultaneously, depending on where the action is. This is as close to knowing reality as you are going to get. If you watch the "trustworthy" news media, you are maybe going to get some very small amount of truth, but you also run a very big chance of getting a framed version of reality that is often the opposite of what is true.
Look for yourself, think for yourself. Do not outsource these things to authorities who have well demonstrated that they are untrustworthy.
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