> What the Spanish government did is considered censorship under any reasonable system of law.
That's simply put... bulshit, I'm far from supporting the ultra right wing catholic goverment from Madrid, but spreading plain lies to victimize yourself doesn't make them true.
> What a tremendously uneducated comment. Freedom of expression has not being limited in Spain in any way or form, not at all.
What an ironic couple of sentences tied together... In Spain we have rappers who have been sentenced to jail time for having lyrics criticizing the King. If that isn't limiting freedom of expression, I don't know what is.
>Well first of all the Twitter channel of the president is a government propaganda channel, not a news channel.
That's a circular argument. It's only a propaganda channel if the president it's dishonest. And even then, it's only propaganda if she is dishonest in THOSE particular tweets.
>That is a totally unnecessary glorifying addition not even present in the original tweets. Has little to do with the subject but hey let's drag it in. Happy to see those fuckers locked up though, no question about that.
For one, it's not even present on the original tweets, as you say.
I'd hardly call it "propaganda" by the president, that some random person on the internet put it as a "reference note" on his translation.
Not to mention that, Argentinians will read the original Spanish in her account and not the guy's english translation. So they won't even see it.
I don't see where's the "glorifying", either in his addition or the original tweet either. I mean, even if she did used the word "impunity" also as a reference to those people.
>Another addition that tries to justify the pretty questionable action of limiting the powers of the Supreme Court.
Perhaps -- but it also serves to give some context to the reader that doesn't know about this (and who, of course, doesn't vote in Argentina, so any propaganda won't do anything for him).
>I allow anybody to have an opinion but if this is clearly written by a staunch supporter of the government copying and adding to what I already consider propaganda I just want to let people know that it is what it is: propaganda.
Sorry, but I'm more of the impression that you are a staunch non-supporter of this government than the opposite!
I mean you took all this offence to a translation by some random guy (I think he's on HN too -- maybe the one who posted this), and two small additions of reference notes, that weren't even meant for the Argentinian voters (who will, of course, read the original spanish tweets).
Propaganda is too strong a word. You can publicly agree with a government and it's actions without being a "propagandist". If I say "the health reform in the US is a good thing" is that propaganda?
> Can you honestly say that you can't speak freely in Spain?
Yes, I believe you can. Where to start? The disgusting re-appearance of political prisoners in Spain, for Catalan leaders expressing the idea that Catalunya should determine its own destiny, while Spanish politicos laughably and hypocritically complain about the same in Venezuela (but to the twisted fascist mind, their political prisoners are just 'criminals' - I'm sure Maduro would use the same justification).
The destruction of an edition of the Jueves comic drawing that showed the (then) prince earning a childrearing grant having sex with his wife.
A rapper in exile to avoid being remanded for singing about the king. Plenty of other examples.
No, free speech is not protected in Spain, quite the reverse.
> In a decision taken and kept in secret, the Brazilian
National Committee on Refuges (CONARE) July 14 granted
political refugee status to Francisco Antonio Cadena Collazos
(known in Brazil as Olivera Medina), the so-called Ambassador
to Brazil of the FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of
Colombia), who was arrested in Brazil in August 2005 at the
request of Interpol, based on a Colombian arrest warrant
which included charges of murder for terrorist purposes,
kidnapping, extortion and terrorism.
> I can't imagine literally submitting a House.gov link and some gusana YouTube clip link to try to tell a Latin American that they need to side with the U.S
Second, if you studied Logic at all (obviously not) you would understand that attacking the source is one of the fundamental logical fallacies. In other words, you have no point at all. You can't insult Alvarez and point to House.gov and invalidate what they are saying.
And, of course, calling a woman trying hard to make a difference in LATAM a "worm" is really classy on your part.
Por favor, educate porque realmente no tenes idea de lo que esta pasando en America Latina. Ni idea.
Articles 490 and 491 of the criminal code govern lèse-majesté. Any person who defames or insults the king, the queen, their ancestors or their descendants can be imprisoned for up to two years
> He is involved in the dirtiest affairs of the Spanish society
... dirtiest affairs of the Spanish _politicians_. Power wars, corruption and how the deep state works routinely under the rug, are in itself pretty interesting themes. Don't made the mistake to thing that this would never happen in your own country (or that is not happening right now).
Spanish society does not have any part to play on this power and lies game but... "Spain is evil, yadah, yadah, we want independence, yadah, yadah, etc". Yep. Obviously elections in Catalonia have started again. We had heard this before.
Some politics want to open a public debate, but other don't let them (sadly)
> why should any government stop it's citizens from talking about an issue
They shouldn't, but what happens it that the use the independence to get votes. So basically a lot of Spain supports the censorship (sadly again)
> but unless it is discussed in an open forum, it will only lead to resentment and eventually bloodshed.
This is what I think is happening right now. The bloodshed is starting.
I think we agree in a lot of things. I am not against a vote for independence, I am against everything is happening around and how is everything happening. This is not the way.
> The lie is in the article: it is false that the three hours pause is generalized, but a exception, except for shops. Then, in my opinion, the purpose of that lie is separatist propaganda, as I exposed in my first comment.
The ORIGINAL Spanish article linked in that article TALKS about shops.
NBut you're so obsessed with independientist propagand that you didn't even read it. Even when I have said top you that the original article is about that.
> I don't want to continue the discussion with you, as this forum is not an appropriate place for political/nationalist flamewars.
Curious, the one starting always political flame wars is you
Are you talking about that asshat from "Terça Livre"?
That guy should be in jail for spreading misinformation.
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