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The rate schedules are complex. I'm paying ~$0.43/kWh, itemized as $0.13/kWh generation (Clean Power SF) and $0.30/kWh distribution (PG&E).

If you use very little on the residential schedule I think it can drop pretty low, probably around $0.15/kWh.



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> If you use very little on the residential schedule I think it can drop pretty low, probably around $0.15/kWh.

The lowest price on the PG&E tiered rate plan E1 (implied by the words "If you use very little ...") is $0.42/kWh. Even the most variable rate EV2A plan has an off-peak price of $0.35/kWh. I don't see any way to get a price of $0.15 kWh.


Typical PG&E rates are US$0.12/kWh, which includes not only buying the energy (at prices ranging from -$0.05 to $1.50 or more, depending on supply and demand) but also maintaining and constructing the transmission and distribution systems, as well as incidental additional costs like black start capacity, loan interest, and investor profit.

Much closer to $0.25 in San Francisco.. From my bill last month:

Generation charges: $22.33

Peak Usage: 62kWh @ $0.29672

Off-Peak Usage: 258kWh @ $0.28243

Baseline Credit: 246kWh @ -0.0832

Total usage: 320kWh @ $0.2160/kWh


Where does the pricing data come from? The page for my own utility, PG&E, says the average residential rate is around $0.12, but no plan exists anywhere close to that. Residential plans start at $0.32.

  average residential electricity rate is 15.34 cents per kWh
This didn't seem right, as I pay more than double that here in San Francisco. (I calculated $0.35/kWh by dividing the total I paid for electricity generation and delivery, and dividing it by the number of kWh consumed.)

The linked page cites data from over a decade ago (2012).


I'm on SCE in California and I pay about $0.73 per day in "Basic Charges" (about $23/mo) if I use zero power. There are also grid-related charges (including a wildfire fund charge) that are usage-based on the order of $0.03/kWh. For my usage (about 1MWh per month) that means half the grid charges are flat and half are from usage.

For comparison, my TOU energy rates range from $0.06 to $0.25 per kWh depending on the season and time of day.


What area are you in?

Average rate when I was in the Bay Area was > $.55/kwh.


Data point: I pay ~$0.40/kWh in SF Bay Area.

My utility charges residential customers $0.11 per kW-h

Large users pay $0.06 per kW-h and then a demand charge of $10 per kW based on their max draw for the month. So if you do a bit to smooth out demand, the resulting cost isn't going to be wildly different than residential.


No rolling blackouts here.

And prices have been falling. Most plans around here are paying $0.10496. I'm on a time schedule and do most of my charging at $0.07688.

The price per kWh has been consistently falling. I think the GP is right, energy is changing.

https://cleanpoweralliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Cl...


In california it is ~ $0.28-$0.49/kwh

EDIT: last I checked. wholesale rate is $0.02-$0.04/kwh, sigh.


Tier 1 rate for me is currently about $0.35/kwh and tier 2 about $0.41/kwh from PG&E. They don't directly tell you the transmission cost, but about $0.145/kwh comes from generation.

For my 1 br apartment living alone the total bill has been about $100-$150 but can jump to up to $250 during summer months. Sounds like this will almost double my costs for most of the year.


In the california bay area with PG&E it is .25/.31/.39 per kwh in tiers:

first 300 kwh @ .25 the next 1000 kwh @ .31 above that you pay .39


I pay around 0.20/kWh, but I made a mistake in my calculations! It would “only” cost 600$/month or 7’200 a year.

I pay around 0.20/kWh, but I made a mistake in my calculations! It would “only” cost 600$/month or 7’200 a year.

I wonder how this feeds into energy pricing.

PG&E rates are based on some fictitious "average" household, which uses electricity and gas.

Then you pay more if you use more than this household did. ($0.22/$0.27/$0.48 per kwh, and $1.28/$1.88 per therm gas)

The thing is, if your household only has electricity for heating which is not as cost effective as gas, you may end up in the $0.48/kwh tier for electicity.


Who pays variable rates in a residential setting? I pay a flat $0.095/kWH regardless of time of day, demand, etc.

A residential user in Washington is also paying ~$0.10 per kWh, total cost divided by total kWh.

Price of electricity varies greatly depending on where you are. My residential rate is about $0.13/kWh, so completely consistent with the article.
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