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> For how long?

Debian switched to systemd about 12 years ago, so at least that long.



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Systemd has been in use for a little over 4 years. There may be some issues with distro specific implementations but that should be flushed out in the normal debian testing which had been going on with systemd for over a year?

debian is also switching to systemd

Is that really it? I use systemd at work and still have plenty of scripts to write getting my Debian packages to configure themselves correctly :)

Don't quote me on this, but I recall reading from official channels that the last Debian version without mandatory systemd is going to see its support period indefinitely extended for a long time. Good luck! :)

precisely. and every six month, Id take a peek to see if RedHat employee or Debian maintainer fixed it.

You cannot operate without systemd in Debian 11+. It’s now a REQUIRED “feature” and a veritable albatross around Debian’s neck for those serious server needs.


TIL. So it is even easier and I don't know what's the problem with dvfjsdhgfv. I think unless Debian stopped adopting systemd nobody would be happy.

Well, technically, systemd was 15.04.

I'm typing on a machine that's started life as Debian Etch, and has moved from a desktop, to a laptop and back, gotten cloned and is now three machines. It still doesn't use systemd.

systemd is everywhere and has been for a long time.

> systemd

It already has been replaced by systemd as of 15.04 (and 16.04 LTS).

Systemd was a child of Redhat.

Debian had to support it, mostly because at the time Gnome, another Redhat controlled project, decided to depend upon systemd.


That concept of "obsolete as a Debian package" does not really exist, so you are asserting something meaningless. And you brought up the timing of systemd yourself, only to then find that your point was wrong.

You have a lot to learn about the rather sad history of runit and daemontools in Debian, as well as about the ways that Debian people decide what is packaged. This is only some of it.

* https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runit-run

* http://smarden.org/pape/

* https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00059.html

* https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/284453/5132

* https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766187#78

* https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=861536#44

* https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752075#35


Debian is kinda being forced to move. Without systemd, half of the newer feature in Gnome are unusable.

to be frank, it is not a hard requirements... But debian don't have the resources to support both use cases


ubuntu is using systemd since 15.04

Systemd has changed stuff continuously ever since.

For instance, some systemd-login thing broke compatibility with xscreensaver on my manjaro box 6 months ago.


systemd in Debian is still in testing, it's expected to be buggy at this point.

Have you tried a distribution which already comes with systemd preconfigured, such as Fedora, Suse or CentOS?


After debian switched to systemd I indeed started to check BSDs again for servers, but have yet to migrate.

I've been a sys admin for ten years. I like systemd.
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