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makach · 2024-05-28 19:17:41

see, that was missing from the tutorial, or did I miss it? :ok and :nope - are those valid keywords or functions?

rnikander | karma 97 | avg karma 1.37 · | 2022-05-01 12:21:47

And I forgot: 3. keyword arguments to functions. :)

thiht | karma 3603 | avg karma 2.3 · | 2020-04-22 09:02:03+00:00

Having 2 to 3 keywords for the exact same purpose seems like a nightmare. Do we need `def`, `fun`, and `function`? Just pick one and only one.

On another note, the docs are not so good. They're really missing a few real life examples with unit tests.

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sitkack | karma 14538 | avg karma 1.82 · | 2014-03-15 18:14:10+00:00

I am wondering how to add keywords at runtime, or remove all the keywords and make them functions...

aaronchall | karma 1435 | avg karma 2.69 · | 2017-07-17 20:16:41+00:00

the function keyword is unnecessary - removing it makes the function creation more cross-compatible with different shells.

travisgriggs | karma 5109 | avg karma 4.77 · | 2022-01-26 00:58:42

I miss keyword syntax. It has its warts, but I liked the clarity better than the whole funarg() list mess.

frozenport | karma 2997 | avg karma 1.05 · | 2012-12-18 10:42:05+00:00

1. Yes 2. I also don't like that their naming convention doesn't reflect functionality. How would you assign carp, cluck, croak and confess functions?

plesn | karma 309 | avg karma 1.9 · | 2011-06-17 05:39:08

I didn't know the last one. Nevertheless I find the mix of functions with no arguments, function values and optionnal parenthesis quite confusing syntax wise.

tebeka | karma 383 | avg karma 5.8 · | 2012-02-23 20:50:11

Thanks, updated the code to use keyword arguments only.

sireat | karma 2646 | avg karma 1.71 · | 2018-10-22 13:22:21

Are there any context sensitive help, tooltips, etc ?

Seeing two function definitions, my first inclination was to run them on the next two lines, via

  setup();
  draw();

So that was wrong.

Ok, so the functions run themselves automagically.

Guessing that there must be line and circle functions, I managed to get those running.

How do I discover new stuff?

Shift - Tab is not doing anything over function signatures(Jupyter can do that in the browser sort of ok).

What would a total newbie do next without going over to Help tab?

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philosopher1234 | karma 3005 | avg karma 3.16 · | 2023-06-21 16:18:49

They're not reserved keywords. Existing/package defined min/max functions would take precedence. They have the same semantics as `append`

necovek | karma 3657 | avg karma 1.39 · | 2023-08-28 13:40:27

Thanks for pointing it out. Still, it seems highly unlikely someone would decide to use such a function declaration yet want to use the proposed syntax to pass both positional and keyword arguments.

augustk | karma 616 | avg karma 2.06 · | 2024-03-11 15:33:17

Wirth entered the chat:

Procedures should do something. Functions should return something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command%E2%80%93query_separati...

By the way, I have never understood the practice of using a verb in the name of a (pure) function; naming the function after its result using a noun or adjective phrase makes much more sense.

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leftnode | karma 3880 | avg karma 5.09 · | 2010-09-22 15:03:46+00:00

I like it. I wasn't aware you could have function names with the same name as a keyword.

Ninja edit: appears you can't, it has to be an undefined method caught with __call(). Neat.

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aerique | karma 3798 | avg karma 3.31 · | 2011-06-26 02:27:57

Isn't being able to give functions as a default keyword argument more or less obvious when functions are first-class objects instead of it being insane? It's something that I use several times in any decent sized project.

For my bot for the current Google AI challenge I use A* pathfinding and one of the keyword args is the function for getting a node's neighbours.

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totony | karma 1184 | avg karma 1.32 · | 2022-04-25 22:07:28

alternatively, they could add calling functions with keyword arguments as in python, where you'd call key_exists(needle="needle", haystack="haystack")

meric | karma 5252 | avg karma 1.84 · | 2017-04-15 19:55:35+00:00

If it helps I'm thinking of expanding the usage of those bindings to function keyword and default arguments as well. :)

100k | karma 3169 | avg karma 4.71 · | 2009-10-26 23:51:49

Yeah, I know that. I had about 40 tabs open with every page I could find. All I'm saying is that It takes a while to figure out stuff like:

I would like to call toLowerCase on a list of strings. How do I pass an argument to the function?

(map #(.toLowerCase %) word-list)

It's not exactly obvious without a bit of searching what # and % and . mean here.

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escherize | karma 872 | avg karma 2.37 · | 2016-01-25 23:46:58+00:00

So you _actually_ use function names as strings? That seems like a problem, and that it would need its own special editor tooling. Yikes.

drbojingle | karma 212 | avg karma 1.12 · | 2024-05-06 23:16:27

Use snippets. Function? No. Defn? No. Fn. I type fn. Depending on the file you get the right thing.