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So we should rely on a glowing Apple logo to make our decisions instead?


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If this is exactly what the user wants, why should Apple be the one to decide?

The point is to proliferate any decisions taken by Apple because Apple = God and thefore such decisions are beyond human understanding.

You cant reason your way out of Apple being right _always_.


Then give them a choice. The inverse of which is one of Apple's tenants for a holistic ecosystem.

It will not be a benefit to consumers. If I have a choice of an Android phone or an Android-like phone with an Apple logo on it, I don’t have a real choice.

agreed. and Apple has the data to make the decision, we don't.

just to say it isn't a sensible policy a priori is incorrect I believe.


Unfortunately, there’s always someone who is more than willing to read far too much into a low-level technical decision if it serves to, in their eyes, ‘prove’ their preconceived worldview.

A company as large as Apple making this particular decision in service of a wider vision to “own user devices, is attributing to Apple a degree of organisational and coordination prowess that is well beyond unheard of in any organisation even one tenth of Apple’s size.

But it’s Apple, right!?


The crux argument is: Apple need to stop being _too_ controlling.

Apple probably loves choice as well. They should have the choice to design their products as they wish. I have the choice to buy Apple's products if I wish.

If you need flash on your phone, don't buy an iPhone. Choice is great.


I thought apple was all about picking the best method for you rather than having you make decisions.

It isn’t productive to establish defense against an arbitrary future that turns on you. Spend those brain cycles focusing on your user and building a great product. Choosing Sign in with Apple is great for Apple users.

This is good, people should be forced to make these choices explicitly. And it's Apple that is forcing the matter.

I understand where you’re coming from, but isn’t it possible it’s not really a conscious decision being made? I mean do you think that people are actively choosing colors over people? I just think it may be more likely users of Apple devices are generally manipulated to associate interacting with Apple devices as a more enjoyable experience than with non-Apple devices. You say you are being more fair than “they” would be, but purposeful lack of understanding doesn’t seem very fair to me, it seems like you’re maybe trying to retaliate against an invented perception. I don’t think it’d hurt anyone to consider opposing actions in a realistic light.

For better or for worse, this has been Apple’s philosophy since forever. Steve Jobs himself said, “[users] are paying us to make these choices”.

https://youtu.be/rKPEK9BSIhA


No, this sort of blindly pro-Apple bull shit is what's wrong with current conversation around Apple. Are we supposed to roll over and shut up because the almighty Gods at Apple decided this was the best way to do? This notion that we should get down on our knees and pray (or otherwise please) the overlords is just wrong-- is it really so crazy to assume that Cook & co. could make a mistake? Yes-- large, publicly traded corporations generally look into many options, accurately predict the outcomes of each, and then make an educated decision that is likely to have the best outcome-- but that doesn't make them infallible. Questioning Apple isn't hubris-- it's human.

Tangential: Why do I as a developer have to assume that users don't want what I want? Is it so wrong to think that a user might want to be able to see and evaluate 5 different apps at a time instead of 1? The past couple of years in tech have been spent wondering how to simplify UI for the sake of the user, to the point where we can't even trust them to have settings-- we need to know what's best for them before they log on to our websites or launch our apps, but is that really valid? It's easy to imagine that in 1983 when Microsoft Word was first announced, people needed total simplicity-- these "personal computer" things (probably a fad) were brand new and only available to the elite-- but this is the twenty first century and we have a whole generation of digital natives who will ask Google for an answer before they get in the shower-- and they're users too.


Yes, but the whole idea that you could take such a component away is typically Apple operating in their 'we know better' mentality. Maybe they do know better. But you don't force all of your users into a corner like this without giving them an alternative.

> it’s just a decision by UX people

No, the most profitable company in history doesn't get to play dumb. At Apple's scale, Hanlon's Razor does not apply, because there's no effective difference between incompetence and malice.


That would make sense if the argument were, "Apple must do this or else face failure in business," but that's almost never it.

This is wrong. It goes beyond this. There are various clear examples of Apple exercising far too much authority.

It's not a question of whether you should use certain products. It becomes a question of whether you should trust Apple at all.


You frame it as a conscious choice, but in my experience more than 9 of 10 Apple users are completely ignorant of the issues. They only "know what they like" or think "Apple is best. " There's no consideration at all of reasons or consequences.
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