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That was my conclusion as well, this seems to be a more realistic representation of consumption: http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&...

Although its not easy to tell, the EIA's site could use some improvements in terms of clearly defining what the data displayed represents.



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That is not what it is currently for a majority of plants. Maybe there is few plants here or there, but I posted the data directly from eia.

Numbers seem to come from https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_sum_snd_d_nus_mbblpd_a_cur.... which includes natural gas, ethanol and exports.

The chart links to the EIA article ... so that is the source, but I don't know how high quality it is.

> Is there anywhere where we can see emissions by what is consumed rather than what is produced?

https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2


Does that report mention consumption anywhere? This article is about consumption, not production, so it doesn't really make sense to compare this report to the article.

It doesn’t use average usage to calculate the remaining range, it uses EPA numbers which are 200 Wh/mi or less. Which, interestingly, is less than the consumption shown on the Monroney sticker. How they can show two contradictory numbers on the same official document is fascinating to me.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/browseList.jsp

Judging by this the EPA numbers it gives are accurate on average.


> [2] The OP's OurWorldInData graph screenshot says beef emissions are 60, but the actual page says 99. Same chart. I don't understand. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/food-emissions-supply-cha... I used 60 in the calculation above.

The chart I used does not include losses in the supply chain. The difference between both charts is further explained here: https://ourworldindata.org/faqs-environmental-impacts-food



The text below the graph does give a total for US emissions of CO2 equivalent, but it's not clear if that's what the graph actually shows.

The text says one thing, but the graph they display to support their argument does not say what I thought it said.

The purple line is supposed to be our "real" emissions, and the impression you get from the image and text is that our real emissions are much lower than the projected emissions.

But if you actually look at the values of the purple line vs the other lines now, in 2020/2021, the values are almost exactly the same.

I don't understand how to reconcile that with the text.

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q...


That page needs some love - this page has more recent and comprehensive data https://www.c2es.org/content/u-s-emissions/

I thought those numbers sounded a little exaggerated and hand-wavey too. I highly doubt this takes into account things like emissions from vehicles used to transport the meats, for example.

It's from here:

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fast-facts-transportation-...

and

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emis...

Emission is intended to be broad here to capture as much impact as possible. It should be expressed in CO2 equivalent.


It looks as though those numbers are mistaken.

https://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2008/02/26/ghg_lifetimes/


That is not what I am arguing at all. I am merely pointing out that it is unclear as to what the ecopassenger.com website is calculating and what we can gather from this information.

The bar chart "food transport and production emissions" is misleading. If they had shown the charts at the same scale, the bars in the left one would only be 40% as long as they are now (range: 0-0.8 vs 0-2).

That's a fair point, although I'm not sure I'd personally categorize it as "actively deceptive", I agree it could be a lot clearer about "Emissions", and empirically you're clearly right that is has some folks confused. To be charitable, like all science communication it's trying to simplify a very nuanced topic and probably could be improved. I do think the illustration of how leafblowers pollute at ~300x the rate a car does is largely true, and the GHG/environmental impact is a lot messier than just primary CO2 emissions.

(Disclaimer: I've never met or interacted with Nicole, but I know people that have, so I'm likely biased to assume good intent.)


Well, since the article didn't bother displaying the graph on my browser (that's the kind of thing quality sites do!), I got to the source, and it's not as bad:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co2-emissions-...

I always assumed this was common knowledge.

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