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I going to guess that referring to inmates by numbers would be widely criticized as inhumane by many human rights groups. It would be an uphill battle to keep something like that going.


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Isn't the denominator a number that happens to also the vast majority of the world's imprisoned?

Nothing you're saying makes me think any of this is ok lol.


> On Nov. 1, the most recent data available, there were 12,350 individuals in state and county jails and prisons.

Next small step towards social justice is to start calling them people rather than individuals.


How so? You'd have to figure out the N in a population of hundreds of thousands (the state's prison population) without any other variables to go on.

Source, please, that just seems incorrect.

That would mean for 2mm prisoners there would be 1.1mm murderers, rapists, and manslaughterers. That seems like way too large a number to be realistic with the declining rate of murder, rape, and manslaughter.


Be careful with "most people" comments. I read the article and did not at any point assume the figure meant # of persons in a prison.

Correctional supervision stood out as not meaning incarceration.


Your parent is objecting to what would appear to be intentional manipulation & misrepresentation of numbers, not accidental overlooking.

Most people reading the article will assume the 6M people are in a prison. Odds are this misconception is intended by the author.


Oh I only counted the people actually inside a prison. I didn't think probation or parole counted in this argument since they're not locked up.

2,266,800 / 319,000,000 = 0.710595611% Forgot to move some decimals in my previous post


Then count people who die following their sentences in the same way you count reoffenders. Problem solved. As it stands, I'd bet a big fraction of people dying within 5 years of getting out of jail are ODs, so setting up a metric that encourages prisons to work on drug issues is a good thing.

If you're worried about states executing people to keep them out of the numbers, count executions that way too.


The prison system wouldn't be able to handle the influx.

Prisoners are included within normal population figures? Interesting.

The prisoners don't necessarily outnumber the locals outside, so I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that they will be able to.

But another way to look at it, is that by being counted as part of the population in the vicinity of the prison, it provides an incentive to have prisons and to incarcerate people, and it also reduces the representation of the places prisoners come from.


The stats talk about number of people imprisoned in a particular moment of time. It doesn't say if a part of them for example died over the next couple of months due to cold and starvation and were topped up with new inmates That would make the number look unchanged during the next count.

I doubt that the prison demographic is in any way representative of the whole population so that data would be of limited use.

I don't have the statistics here but it would be interesting to see what percentage of prisoners were serving 5+ years, maybe the ratio of prisoners serving shorter sentences would make this kind of solution more plausible.

I believe that is the implication. Think of incarcerated populations.

Probably a sizable number of them. Because the people in prison are still people, and there's no good reason to keep most of them locked in a cage if they're not posing a risk to other people.

I was asking if what the DA was said was unreasonable, with that number to indicate that there are already a LOT of people in prison or jail.

Can these findings be used to put some bounds on the number of prisoners?

The prison lobby (guard unions, etc) is actually fairly loud about this. They make a lot of noise around things that put and keep more people in jail. It's way past "probably"!
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