It's a counter-protest by white male supremacists ("neo-nazis"/Proud Boys) who believe that diversity and equality diminish them. It's a parody of Pride Month.
I'm suggesting the Left is using Nazi playbook and promoting totalitarianism in attacking and accusing right-wing white males. The fact that at the same time they claim to be "fighting Nazis" and "standing up to oppression" is a sad irony.
I'm not sure you even know there what being oppressed means, no-one yet is really oppressed in the USA, fortunately.
It's not the same because white supremacists and other groups like this are not recognized by civil rights laws designed to prevent discrimination. These laws are specific and they single out groups that experience persecution due to history, culture or minority status, such as sex, age, color, sexual orientation, etc. Hate movements are not considered protected groups (in my opinion for good reason).
I’m pretty tired of people linking any sort of complaint, worry, and defense of their rights to white supremacy or whatever hate group.
Plenty of people stand up for their rights because they legitimately care about freedom. It’s not all some conspiracy by hate groups to defend themselves.
This term is being so over used that it's essentially meaningless. Calling everything white supremacist actually hurts whatever cause you think you are fighting.
You're using the standard definitions of those words. People like that use totally different definitions that are ideologically based, for example, expressing concern over discrimination against men = white supremacy to them.
I think it's a little telling that you're calling out historically conservative movements and trying to conflate them with a very progressive movement of not letting white supremacists use their favorite recruitment tool of "it's just a joke bro... unless you actually believe it"
I am sure there is, no doubt, overlap of people that associate with the Proud Boys and also associate with white supremacist's, but they (the Proud Boys) have been very clear that white nationalism / supremacy is not their charter and I do not think it is fair to paint them with that brush. That being said, I do agree with you on their view of masculinity and it is fair fodder to critique them on. That is their point, they stand for a certain set of values, they are very clear in what those values are and that is what they should be weighed in the balance for. For the record I am not defending them, rather I prefer to see peoples arguments weighed for what they are saying not for what other people paint on them. It's not fair and it is attempt to dilute their message. I think their message stands for itself and most people will reject it. Attempts to paint them as a racist organization when they are clearly not, only muddy the water and lend credence to their argument that they are being treated unfairly. It plays into their hands.
While I don't agree with White power rallies (which should go without saying), they have as much right to service as any other political group.
Equating White power groups with other groups is truly foolish. There is no debate about whether their views are beneficial or have any merit. They will not care about you if the situations were reversed.
> Progressives seem to believe that Western = white, and that is how they make the leap to white supremacy in this context.
I'll note that my comment did not directly link proud boys to "white supremacy". Instead, I (and the comment I replied to) used "right-wing extremists". I think that's an accurate description that does not require an assumption that "Western = white".
An actual white supremacist rejected the non-white leader of the Proud Boys and split off to form his own group.
The Proud Boys were not a white supremacist organization. Attempts to use this despicable man's quotes to smear the entire organization (which he rejected) are naked appeals to guilt by association.
White supremacist men want to pretend that it’s not about the policy.
Because white supremacist men don’t want to live in a world where women or people of color are valued.
Many of them are such bigoted shits that they cannot even _imagine_ somebody valuing women or people of color. This is why they talk about things like “virtue signaling”. That’s a term used by bigots who can’t even imagine caring about that other group, so they assume it _must_ be fake.
And it is just as pathetic.
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