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From the perspective of a non-NYC resident, this is terrible.

I had understood that bedrooms in the USA had to have a closet and a window/external door. Is that not the case?



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I'm a recent NYC transplant. In past places I've lived (VA, DC, MN) it's definitely the law that a bedroom must have an egress window — not just a window, but one that opens and is large enough you could exit through it in case of a fire.

In New York, either that isn't the law, or it just gets violated a lot more often. Since moving here I've seen a surprising number of places where the bedroom has no windows.

However, there is definitely no requirement (in any state I've lived in) for a bedroom to have a closet. Some do, many don't.


If this were true, it would mean that many, many bedrooms in New York City are legally not bedrooms.

NYC has a law that for a room to be legally called a bedroom, it must have a window that's not on a lot line. I can't believe California doesn't have a law like that.

> In the United States, a room must have a closet to be considered a bedroom.

Source? I can't find any that confirm that using actual codes (at least on a national scale), and many (from sellers and lenders, no less) that rebut it [0][1], nor do I see it in the FHA housing policy handbook [2, PDF]. It's possible that real estate businesses customarily don't let you market bedrooms without closets, but that's not regulation.

[0] https://www.rocketmortgage.com/learn/what-qualifies-as-a-bed...

[1] https://www.realtor.com/advice/sell/what-is-a-bedroom-featur...

[2] https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/SFH_POLI_APPR_PROP.PDF


If you want to help New Yorker's, you're going to have to make an option for "0" bedrooms, as that is quite common around here :-).

These are rooms to sleep in. If you think these are that bad, try visiting a real slum. It's first world privilege to consider a small clean room in New York City a horrible place.

From sibling comment:

In continental Europe, where armoires are a thing, I actually can’t remember living in any home that had a closet in any room with a bed, so I can’t see closet being in the definition of bedroom.


When you live in Manhattan, you don’t live in your apartment. You sleep in your apartment.

In a certain US jurisdiction I have a room with a bed in it I can call a “nanny’s room” but I cannot call a bedroom on a real estate listing, as the closet for that room is through another door in a sort of hall.

In Europe though, where armoires are a thing, and I actually can’t remember living in any home that had a closet in any room with a bed, I don’t see closet being in the definition.


A bedroom may be required to have a window (and a closet), but an office, dining room, or "bonus" room doesn't. Thus you have apartments or houses, where people sleep in offices, dining rooms, etc. Legislating this just causes people to work around it.

Ah, because there are just oh so many "spare bedrooms" lying around NYC.

My son lives in a "junior suite" - basically a classic end-windowed studio, but with a wall blocking the bed from the living area. Worst of both worlds.

A bedroom is where your bed is. I've never rented a place with closets, so I think that's pretty common -- especially in older buildings.

Is it really even a bedroom if you can't fit a queen sized mattress? That's an incredibly small room.

No bedrooms?

> Most Americans have spare bedrooms for when guests visit.

No, they don't. Some Americans do, but it's a minority; most that have a room that loosely serves this purpose have another non-bedroom function for the room that is not significantly impaired by occasional use as a guest bedroom, and a large number, probably a majority, have no guest bedroom at all, putting guests up on a couch (possibly convertible, but maybe not) or temporary cot, etc. in a common room (or displacing a resident, likely a child, to such an arrangement to free up a bed) when hosting overnight guests.


I would love this. I've never understood why humans waste square footage on large bedrooms. Seriously, I could sleep in a closet and be perfectly happy.

Yeah, you can put beds in whatever room you want. You just can't sell a room with no window as a bedroom.

i don't like to sleep in a room without windows. i like to see the night sky or signs of life outside my room, and most importantly i hate waking up in the dark. i would switch universities or sue if forced to accept a windowless room.
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