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Why is it that every leader in power seems to forget that they won't stay in that position forever? Let's take his word for it and say the power won't be abused. What of his successors?

If a power exists, it will be abused. Period. It's only a matter of time. That's the whole premise behind checks and balances and due process. You don't leave power in the hands of a few, but the many.



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It's not a question if someone with too much power will abuse that power. It always happens, always. It's not a question of if it will happen or not, it's a question of when and under what circumstances.

That's why we have the division of power in governments, that's why we have countries, because too much power concentrated by too few individuals will always get abused. If not by the individuals themselves, someone else or another organization, the NSA comes to mind, will find a way to abuse that power at some point in time when the conditions are right.


I find this argument confusing. There is plenty of historical precedent for tyrany overcoming public opinion, judiciary, politics. I don't think the current topic is an example of this, but as a general statment on power i find this contrary to my experience.

You're basically saying, I don't worry about abuse of power because there will always be some check on it, no matter how ineffectual. That just flies in the face of every time someone managed to use their power to overcome whatever checks were in place.

And this is like a constant theme in history. All the checks on Ceaser's power didn't prevent the Roman Republic from falling.


You seem to be reading too much into my comment. "Having power" doesn't mean that everything is perfect and abuses won't happen.

That's the trouble with power.. sooner or later it is wielded by someone you don't control.

It's not the abuse of power that is the problem but the power to abuse.

http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/PrinciplesOfGovernment.h...


I get you point, but I want to point out that "Give people power, and it will be used" does not justify the statement "They WILL abuse this power".

Not every USE of power is an ABUSE of power.


This is literally the founding principle of the United States, it's infuriating how much people have lost touch with these important ideas. Power can easily be abused, the only reliable way to prevent the worst abuses is to keep that power in check. Because otherwise it's just a matter of time and bad luck until someone willing to abuse that power gets hold of it.

It's been said before: power corrupts. Best to keep anyone and everyone from absolute power.

Abuse of power happens all the time. Doesn't mean outrage over it is called for.

People in power are the only ones who have opportunities to abuse power. People who are given power and abuse that power should have that power taken away from them. There’s plenty of other people who will fill their role.

Or simply: nobody can be trusted not to abuse power. That's why we have transparency, checks and balances, etc.

I can believe that a lot of people have good intentions. But that doesn't mean their actions are always right.


Power abuse is still power abuse. :/

I think the actual point people try to make with that rhetorical question is that no one can be trusted not to abuse that power.

An understanding of the inevitability of abuse of unchecked power.

That power eventually corrupts -- I can see that. But instant corruption? I doubt it.

The potential to abuse power is not a reason to disavow it.

In the long run, power will anyway matter more than precedent.

This is one of the first things I've noticed when looking at political discussions. People (correctly) note the abuse of powers in others, but the moment they get power themselves they see no problem with (ab)using it to attack those who did it before. And then the power relations change again and it starts anew.

So if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is, those who already have and are used to wielding power, are (whether rightly or wrongly, it's what their intuition tells them according to their experience so far) reasonably confident they can use existing power structures to manage what ever mess results and prevent it getting out of hand? That does sound like a reasonable explanation.

This is one thing I still have a hard time understanding about people. I understand that hypocrisy and the like are baked deeply, inextricably into our DNA, but the thing is we've all witnessed this stuff happen time and again and without fail still choose to let it happen again.

People get on board with giving up power because it will work out for their team _this_time_. The thing is, it will absolutely be used against your team in the future. This has been proven time after time after time (just in recent history, not even considering the whole of human history). It will be used against you. It's not like smoking or other unhealthy behavior that will have an effect far into the future but that you can't really grasp fully...you just need to remember all of the other times it has happened in your lifetime to know what it feels like.

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