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It's not false, the illiteracy is just as widespread as in an era before free public education.


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what are you talking about? illiteracy rates were lower before public education started. You can make claims about differences in population if you want, but purely on a percent basis you're wrong.

> The vast majority of people have a hard enough time using Word or Excel

Being a majority doesn't prevent them from being illiterate. For most of human history illiteracy was the norm.


Well, before governments got into education, most people were happy living illiterate.

Literacy & numeracy rates prior to widespread public schooling would disagree with you on this.

> 100 years ago, >50% of the population was illiterate, now it is something like 98%.

:)


You are correct, however the problem is with the large % of illiteracy/poor education. I hope things will improve once the society is better educated.

The evidence points to illiteracy.

Unfortunately we live in a time where the majority of people are practicing illiteracy.

I we really prepared to say that a system which takes 12 years, 5 days a week to produce a 21% illiteracy rate is working?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/illiteracy-rate_n_3...

>Public schools are a democratizing factor

That's true, everyone get's an equally poor education.


> But a hundred years ago we could easily have the same conversation about simply reading and writing - they (the poor, women, or "lower class" ) luke not be taught to read. But it turns out that if you start young enough, and put enough effort in, 99% of everyone can learn

There is a thing called functional illiteracy [1], where people can write and read but mostly only their name and some very basic things like grocery lists. They also cannot comprehend texts even if they can read most words. It's more or less equivalent to being able to add numbers, maybe multiply numbers 1-10 but very far from algebra.

No first world country can claim a 99% literacy rate unless you count in these people, which would stretch things quite a bit.

1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_illiteracy


In 1900 the literacy rate of the US was roughly 20%. Over the next century states and the federal government introduced mandatory educational requirements and expanded access to public education. By 2000 literacy is north of 80%.

Do you think literate citizens are less free to make choices than illiterate ones?


I would be cautious to say we have universal literacy today, even with universal education.

So what you're saying is illiteracy was a good thing? Perhaps we should bring that back /s

How many people back then were outright illiterate?

It needs to change, but don't forget that without it our illiteracy rates were ridiculous.

> but it does a really good job teaching kids to read; and for the few kids who fail to learn to read,

Depending how you define illiteracy many children can't read. About 20% of children are functionally illiterate when they leave US highschool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

> The study, the most comprehensive study of literacy ever commissioned by the U.S. government, was released in April 2002 and reapplied in 2003 giving trend data. It involved lengthy interviews of over 90,700 adults statistically balanced[clarification needed] for age, gender, ethnicity, education level, and location (urban, suburban, or rural) in 12 states across the U.S. and was designed to represent the U.S. population as a whole. This government study showed that 21% to 23% of adult Americans were not "able to locate information in text", could not "make low-level inferences using printed materials", and were unable to "integrate easily identifiable pieces of information."


The illiteracy rate in the US is really quite incredible, with the federal government reporting something like 20% of the population to be "low literacy"

https://nces.ed.gov/datapoints/2019179.asp


I would like to point out that in our current world it would be very very difficult to end up illiterate under just about any circumstance. Reading and writing don’t need to be explicitly taught unless you are under extreme time pressure (like the need to get the pupils to be able to read their texts on their own so you can increase class sizes and decrease the cost of schooling).

...and before widespread public education, many of them couldn't even read.
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