Yes, America will decline, yet it'll survive, the only thing that will ever Kill America, is the unrest of it's people, and as long as consumerism keeps everyone complacent and enslaved, people won't rise up, to enact any real change.
It's a fact that short of nuclear war(global suicide), nobody can invade/destroy America militarily, but our presence worldwide, will, and SHOULD end. We need to go back to being neutral and not giving a shit about world affairs, -- people in America are starving, yet we spend trillions to police other countries. -- Some protectionism, and pull-back on military spending would make for a stronger, more private America.
Personally, I'm all for a contracting America, that stops worrying about global affairs, and worries more about feeding, clothing, and putting everyone to work, and combatting poverty at home.
We have real problems here in America such as : A failing war on drugs, Healthcare issues, Education, NSA/Security scandals, Poverty/Unemployment, Securing our borders/ports of entry, Mental Health(school shootings, etc..), Bloated government spending -- gov't should not be allowed to spend more than they bring in via taxes, period - end of discussion.
I say AMEN to the end of America's world domination, and Hello to the era of "let's take care of our own".
The fatalism around America’s relative decline is so tiring to read about. Apparently the only thing that can occur is a sudden and disastrous collapse of Pax Americana, even though as shortly as 15-20 years ago America enjoyed total and complete hegemony over the rest of the world (militarily, economically, politically and culturally).
That period was a historical fluke, in my opinion. At no other time in human history has one nation been as powerful and influential as America was, and to a certain extent continues to be. To assume that its relative decline can only continue and exacerbate and end in complete and utter disaster in our lifetimes reads to me as simplistic binary thinking.
It will be in our lifetimes that the US will turn in on itself. The violence, lack of education, poverty and inequality, will allow more leaders like trump to emerge and will facilitate more attempted coups such as the capitol attack, and finally a civil war. Watching from outside it’s obvious. From the inside, even here on this forum, what predominates are delusions and pathetic nationalism. Few americans understand the danger and are increasingly marginalised. All empires fall, world orders change, but may the universe have mercy on us all once the inevitable happens, because that will set us back a few centuries in terms of lost progress (the setback already begun, considering its 2021 and the largest “democracy” in the world looks more and more like a 3rd world country).
Keep arming yourself, so you can kill your fellow americans, keep unmasking yourself because someones illness is not your problem, keep voting in pedos, corrupt wanna be dictators and jeep pushing for archaic ideologies, keep not giving a donkeys arse about the poor and keep deluding about the “greatest country on earth” while we prepare to take in american refugees.
You're very good at pointing all the things that you hate about America and you're very good at wishing for an Utopia. Guess what! So is everyone else. Every human is a little arm-chair general about everything. What's hard is building something in a complex, gray world.
So I ask again, what do you think will ACTUALLY happen if America collapses or pulls back to only concern itself with what happens within its border?
I'd argue that America is going to simply fade as national borders become less meaningful. We're seeing that a bit in Europe as people get the right to live, work, vote in other places. Already I question the border with Canada whenever I go there. I mean, if we had open immigration with Canada, it's not like we'd see unchecked immigration there. It would probably be similar to the "immigration" between Massachusetts and New York.
The United States is unlikely to break up. The Russian "professor" that they reference in the article seems to know less about the United States than the people who made the "United States of Canada/Jesusland" maps which were meant to be humorous. We are too mobile a society. Many of us have friends and family all across the country. I mean, you wouldn't want to cross a border to get to a relative's house. Nor would you want to have to deal with tariffs/importation on something you got from Amazon. If anything, the world wants less of that as evidenced by the European Union. Now, the US might become more localized and that would suit some, but we aren't going to see a dramatic breakup.
And what people forget is that, through all the nonsense that's gone on in the past decade, we aren't actually that different. We have a common culture, even if that culture is a result of many cultures. It binds us together even through the heated arguments of the recent past/present.
Catastrophe is unlikely as well for a few reasons. First, it's hard to replace the US government which makes it hard to implement any sort of unchecked policy. To replace the President takes 4 years; to replace the legislative branch takes 6 - and it can't be done on a whim, it has to be 6 years of people deciding to go the same way. In other governments, you can completely switch the government in a week. Second, there are more checks and balances. The executive isn't a prime minister, but rather separate from the legislature. And we have a constitution that grants limited powers and yes, to this day still provides a good check on authority despite what has happened in the recent past. Third, US politics are local politics. Senators and especially Representatives aren't easily replaced because they form roots in their communities. Even beyond that, you can't appeal to fringe groups to get elected. While 1% of the country might think that a fascist or a stalinist would be good to have in government, they get no representation because they aren't able to carry a district. In other countries, representation is usually done on the basis of how much of the national vote you get which means that radical elements have a much greater say in those governments.
Now, some of what I've mentioned above can come off as bad things - they certainly mean that it's hard to implement good, new policies. But that also means that it's hard to implement bad, new policies.
Plus, for all the crap that I'll give the US government, they are genuinely responsive to big things. I mean, unemployment is around 10% right now. In many highly developed places (like Europe), that's not even bad. And everyone on television is calling this the worst crisis of our time. Where I grew up, unemployment was, during good times, about 20%. Now, the US doesn't have the social services that make unemployment more livable so it's very harsh on those who are unemployed, but we've seen the government take steps to make sure that things, generally speaking, run smoothly. I mean, Argentina a little while back had a huge crisis that really wiped out the middle class - robbing them of the vast majority of their money (cash money). While one might not like some of the steps that the US government has taken, it has meant that no one's bank account has been lost (at the very least).
And Americans aren't radicals. I mean, I have friends who call themselves radical, but what they mean by that is that they have a CSA (community shared agriculture) and would like European-style socialism. Oh, and maybe taking a year off somewhere to work on a hippy farm. No guns, no violence, no death to people that don't think like them. No looting, no riots. . . We sure as hell yell about things and have strong opinions (like the Professor Gates incident in Cambridge, MA), but has there been mass violence in response or whatnot? No, life has gone on as normal.
Even when one looks at immigration, the US is one of the most immigrant friendly countries. That might be hard to believe given some of the rhetoric, but we're one of the few countries that still has "born on a rock, citizen of that rock". Even beyond that, what's our anti-immigrant policies? The biggest seems to be the national language debate which, while possibly symbolically important, wouldn't have a practical impact. I mean, anywhere that currently provides foreign language assistance would continue to. Laws are already written in English. English is the lingua franca. And yes, there is a dislike of "illegal" or "undocumented" immigration (depending on the side of the debate you come from) and there have been (in some places) harsh measures taken. But the attitude toward legal immigration is much better than in many places in Europe. France just a few years back had huge riots over this issue with wonderful flaming cars and all. Heck, the right-wing position in this country tends to be "well, smart people are always good to have coming in and the dumb ones are taking jobs no one wants anyway."
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There are simply too many nice practicalities to staying together (like currency, ease of travel and commerce, etc.) and too few radical elements. And the US has a great history of absorbing immigrants and facing the problems that have befell it. I mean, we got through a civil war, two world wars, and the cold war. While we might have problems now, they aren't of the same magnitude. Yes, we need to face the challenges of today. However, the challenges of today aren't so bad when you compare them to sending your kids to Vietnam - or being sent there yourself. A touch job market != being plopped down in south asia with an automatic weapon expecting to survive a few weeks.
You’re making a blanket statement of “America is dead”. What do you expect?
If you have specific things you want to discuss, please do so. “X country is leading to demise” - that’s a pretty powerful statement to make unless you’re talking about a stateless country.
I feel like you're assuming that I'm American and that I don't want America to die. I think most people in the world will be delighted when the American empire inevitably collapses. Not just “Iranians” — as if there are “official rallies” for an entire country of people.
Well to be fair some people blame the decline on an increase in minorities and pot smoking hipsters. But I'm generally skeptical of "reasons" because people seem to want always blame everyone else.
Besides, I think the "decline" is a bit overstated. America isn't going anywhere. Things start getting tough and the guns will come out and they have a lot of those. Besides maybe Anglo Saxons shouldn't rule the whole world. And really nothing lasts forever. China might supplant the west as global leader, this was predicted I think two centuries ago, but it won't happen for a while.
America is beginning its decline, there's no question. I think you're worried about the wrong things, but that's simply a matter of opinion.
Thankfully, we're nowhere near the insanity of 40s-50s Soviet Russia. Here, we have a right to freedom of speech, and at least ostensibly a right to bear arms. Hopefully we can maintain those rights and avoid the hellish police state phase of the collapse.
I think the world more or less understands that American politics oscillates between periods of conservative control and liberal control.
I don’t think the world has forgotten about America’s massive military or its massive economy.
To say Trump has “ended America’s standing” is extremely short sighted... Whether you like him or not, he has not changed in any material way the military or the economy or the political systems that form the foundation of America.
Imagine the world in only 10 years from now. 2030. Will the American economy still be intact and humming along? Will the military still be well funded? Will the political system still be the same?
It's hard for us to admit it. My own journey, after spending 7+ years living abroad, and recently completing a (most epic yet) cross-country roadtrip, it is clear that America is in decline due to generations of mal-investment. We've squandered blood and treasure in quixotic and wrong-headed misadventures and dumped gargantuan amounts of money into nothing but destruction. We've been led by bravado and glory, by craven merchants of death, and greedy megacorporations with no scruples. Our political leaders are corrupt, our institutions rotting. We should have printed out all those dollars and just set them on fire for goddsakes.
The partisan bickering over just 1.6 trillion in infrastructure spending, after having lit another 3 trillion on fire to prop up the stock and housing markets for another few years, losing money hand over fist, electric grids going down at the slightest breath, and overall decay and mismanagement of all our common infrastructure...America is past its peak, stumbling now, and all that remains is angry tribalism and finger-pointing. We can't even unite against a deadly enemy that is impossible to love or anthropomorphize--a virus.
We failed to invest in fundamentals for so long....
On some days I find myself, as an American, hoping we split up. We don't really want to live together anymore. We hate each other. Not a dollar for those bastards' kids!
s America in decline? That is a very provocative question.<p>I have found that most people that hate the United States are very eager to agree that America is in decline, while a lot of those that love the United States are very hesitant to admit that America is in decline. Well, I am proud to be an American, but I cannot lie and tell you that America is doing just fine. The pieces of evidence compiled below are undeniable.
Your interpretation of my comment is spot on. I am concerned there won't be an america to improve upon. Once america is desrabilized you can't stabilize again. A world of russian, chinese and middle eastern dominance with a destabilized US is not good either for the civil rights concerns/improvements the person you replied to brought up.
It's a fact that short of nuclear war(global suicide), nobody can invade/destroy America militarily, but our presence worldwide, will, and SHOULD end. We need to go back to being neutral and not giving a shit about world affairs, -- people in America are starving, yet we spend trillions to police other countries. -- Some protectionism, and pull-back on military spending would make for a stronger, more private America.
Personally, I'm all for a contracting America, that stops worrying about global affairs, and worries more about feeding, clothing, and putting everyone to work, and combatting poverty at home.
We have real problems here in America such as : A failing war on drugs, Healthcare issues, Education, NSA/Security scandals, Poverty/Unemployment, Securing our borders/ports of entry, Mental Health(school shootings, etc..), Bloated government spending -- gov't should not be allowed to spend more than they bring in via taxes, period - end of discussion.
I say AMEN to the end of America's world domination, and Hello to the era of "let's take care of our own".
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