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Couldn’t one somehow decentralize a ponzi scheme like that? Maybe with the scripting language included in Bitcoin?


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The idea of a decentralized ledger coupled with smart contracts is too powerful to be called a ponzi.

Ponzis can be built on top of it, just as the internet can be used to sell penis pills and get rich quick scams. But just as those don’t make the internet a sham, crappy coins and get rich quick schemes don’t make decentralized ledgers a scam.


Yes. Look up the definition of "ponzi scheme." There is no way for an open source currency to be a ponzi scheme, by definition.

How is Bitcoin a ponzi scheme? As far as I know it's a distributed database, nothing even remotely related to a ponzi scheme.

Unrelated, I am curious if anyone knows if anyone is doing or has done a paper on Bitcoin and explored the idea on how it is or isn't similar to a Ponzi scheme?

I wouldn't say it fits the technical definition of a Ponzi scheme.

Now, the technology (the opensource daemon, and the network of nodes running it to create a peer to peer ledger and all that jazz) is really an quite interesting experiment in distributed systems.

The culture around Bitcoin the 'currency' at the moment (and forseeable future) is more complicated.

At worst its a pyramid scheme, and at best its an asset bubble. In practice I would say it most resembles a sophisticated, decentralized Multi-Level-Marketing scheme (MLM) of a particularly novel and insidious variety (Note that MLMs such as Amway & Herbalife have plodded along for years). This can be said not just of bitcoin, but of the entire ecosystem of cryptocurrencies.

Ironically, the fact that it has value derives from its perverse incentivizes of its "investors" to create a cycle of pump and dump bubbles, that bring more people into the fold each time. These speculators provide a liquidity pool that makes bitcoin useful to those who actually use it because they are shut out of the traditional payment system. Alarmingly, it seems at the moment that this group deriving actual utility (over credit cards) consists primarily of hackers, drug dealers, gamblers, arms dealers, pornographers, and other participants of the grey/black market economy. Yes, there is a big pool of legitimate merchants accepting bitcoin because of low transaction fees & no chargebacks, but adoption by non-speculator 'legitimate consumers' is far beyond merchant adoption.

The end game is uncertain. If the liquidity pool eventually grows large enough (resulting in a stable, high value) such that people feel confident to start settling contracts denominated in bitcoin (see mpex.co for a particularly sophisticated example), this will represent a massive challenge to the power of the state to control commerce and enforce taxation. In other words, an crypto-anarchists wet dream.

Perhaps bitcoin will stay somewhere around the size it is now or perhaps an order of magnitude larger in which case it may stay a fringe payment technology with a shady reputation, much like Liberty Reserve and egold before it.

It is also possible that governments will regulate it away by requiring all addresses be registered (see: http://blog.gardeviance.org/2014/03/how-to-fix-bitcoin.html). Or maybe they will just get fed up and attack it by targeting it at its primary point of centralization: all mining ASICs are currently fabbed at TSMC. TSMC could perhaps could be coerced into adding some kind of backdoor or kill switch into the next generation of mining chips. Note that other cryptocurrencies have and will adopt ASIC resistant PoW schemes that limit this at a risk of allowing a 51% attack by a large botnet (or entity with massive computing resources like Google or the NSA).

Either way, Pandora's Box has been opened. Future cryptocurrencies are in the works that use cutting edge advances in zero-knowledge proving techniques to completely eliminate the need for a public transaction history. With regards to bitcoin (and other Nakamoto-chain based cryptocurrencies) specifically, the widely noted scaling problems will be solved by ongoing work on 2-way pegging to side chains, tree-chains, and other ways of 'sharding' the blockchain, while maintaining bitcoin's enforced scarcity.

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So really, the reason why I want to know who Satoshi is, is because bitcoin is an incredible hack. Not just of computers and networks, but also of minds. To secure the network, mining has to be incentivized by giving the coins value, which means Satoshi anticipated not just the technical aspects of enforcing concensus in the ledger of coins, but also the economic & psychological aspects of getting people to think the coins are valuable (and that their value would increase). I'd personally like to know what motivated he/she/they to build & design Bitcoin, and what his/her/their thoughts were as it took off, and what he/she/they think of the current ecosystem.


So it is a Bitcoin Ponzi scheme?

How exactly bitcoin resemble a Ponzi scheme? It kinda sounds like you mean pyramid scheme, rather than Ponzi scheme. (Not that bitcoin is a pyramid scheme either...)

How does that make Bitcoin a Ponzi scheme? A ponzi scheme is an organizational structure, not the people that exist in that organization. Bitcoin is a piece of software, and some people using that software are trying to profit. There is nothing inherent in the structure of Bitcoin that makes it a Ponzi

Ponzi schemes involve fraud by an operator secretly paying out existing investors with new investors' money. Unless exchanges are artificially inflating the price and running fractional reserves then Bitcoin is not a Ponzi scheme.

Is anything stopping someone from running a Madoff-like ponzi scheme with crypto?

That is not a Ponzi scheme, that is called increasing scarcity.

Bitcoins are not much different than gold. People hoard them like an asset, but because there is nobody at the controls for liquidity (and the impending scarcity) it's not taken seriously as a currency.


it's a public blockchain. can it even be a ponzi scheme?

No, because it is based on false scarcity. Ponzi schemes reward those who get into it early and rob money from those who join the scheme later.

Bitcoin cannot exist as real currency unless it has some real concrete value backing it. That concrete value needs to exist in tangible form for it to be stable.


That's not what a Ponzi scheme is. Specifically, Ponzi's require fraud, not just making money off new investors. All investments make money from new investors, it's the fraud that makes something a Ponzi where there's no actual underlying asset but just a money pumping scheme. Bitcoin is an actual underlying asset.

It’s a decentralized Ponzi scheme. It’s why Bitcoin owners are so aggressive in convincing others to buy Bitcoin.

The author is correct, Bitcoin isn't a ponzi scheme.

But it works like one.

Accurately it's a decentralised pyramid scheme with no actual legitimate use case or any intrinsic value.


It's my understanding that being a Ponzi scheme was an explicitly stated feature in the design of Bitcoin. The idea was that setting up a very large first-mover advantage overcomes the chicken-egg problem of a currency whose entire value is based on network effects but initially has no users.

a ponzi scheme requires that $ from ealier investors is paid out to later ones. bitcoin pays nothing out.

Technically Bitcoin is not a Ponzi scheme, but it has structural incentives for speculators to rope in more and more other speculators to drive up the price.
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