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You are completely mistaken. "Its" isn't violating the apostrophe rule at all. "Its" is a possessive pronoun just like hers, theirs, his, ours, mine.


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"Its" is a possessive pronoun like his/her/their/our/whose. "It's" is a contraction of "it is", hence the apostrophe. Any time you could grammatically say his/her/their, you should use the version without the apostrophe. Any time you could say "it is", you should use the version with.

Yes, I know… that's why I said possessive "its" has no apostrophe.

> "It's" is a contraction for "it is". No apostrophe is needed.

No. "Its" is a possessive, which puts it in the same class as words like "his" and "hers". If it were a contraction for "it is" then you'd definitely need the apostrophe.


Just FYI: possessive "its" does not receive an apostrophe.

TL;DR only use the apostrophe when you're saying "it is" or "it has". "Its" is possessive even without the apostrophe.

More: http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/apostroph...


That's because "Tom's" is possessive in this case. The possessive form of "it" is "its" (no apostrophe). The way I remember it: if you can substitute "his" or "hers" for "its", then don't use an apostrophe.

Did you read that article you linked?

>The important thing to remember is don’t use possessive apostrophes with any pronouns, either possessive pronouns or possessive adjectives.

>If you see an apostrophe with a pronoun, it must be part of a contraction.

>its—possessive adjective of it

>it’s—contraction for “it is”

"its" would be correct in the root comment.


I am begging for downvotes here, but I have to be that guy for a second...."it's", with an apostrophe, is a contraction of "it is."

You're looking for "its," which is a possessive adjective.


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I know that grammar comments are probably not welcome here on HN, but I think that since you seem to have an interest in it, I'd point this out:

"Its" only has an apostrophe when it's a contraction of "it is" (or "it has"), the possessive is always "its" (without an apostrophe).

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Why is there an apostrophe in "its"?

"its" is equivalent to his and hers, neither of which have apostrophes.

I think OP was just being an ass, but whether the behavior is opposite really depends on your frame of reference. The lack of apostrophe is consistent with how you deal with possessive pronouns: his, her/hers, our/ours, etc. No possessive pronouns have apostrophes, with one exception. And the apostrophe is consistent with how other contractions work.

If you remember (and care) that its and it's are two separate words, then you should be able think your way through it. It's could legitimately be possessive or a contraction, but its can only be the possessive.

Anyway, I agree with you that it's tricky enough that we shouldn't be assholes about it.


The possessive 'its' should not have an apostrophe, similar to his or hers. https://www.dictionary.com/e/its-vs-its/

> ~~it's~~

Why are you calling that out? The original "its" was correct without the apostrophe.


Hah yea, this is a particularly nasty part of the language IMO. I was wrestling with it recently. For pronouns, the apostrophe is only to indicate a contraction. Possessive pronouns like "hers" do not use an apostrophe. So "it's" always means "it is." Where "its" always is expressing that "it" possesses something.

I usually refer to this handy illustrated guide http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apostrophe :D


"Its, without an apostrophe, is the possessive of the pronoun it. It’s, with an apostrophe, is a contraction of it is or it has. If you’re not sure which spelling to use, try replacing it with it is or it has. If neither of those phrases works in its place, then its is the word you’re looking for."

You are correct, in the case of "it's" the apostrophe doesn't indicate possession, but rather a contraction of 'it is'. I think it is a confusing edge case, which English has many of.

You have written “it’s” instead of “its” on the last two occurrences of the word. It should be without the apostrophe, as it’s indicating possession. I used to get this wrong all the time too.

Thanks for the correction. You know, I was once taught, quite poorly, that the apostrophe is used for possession, and when I'm not mindful about it, my brain makes this jump that when referring to something that "belongs" to whatever "it" refers to, that it therefore possesses this thing and therefore should have an apostrophe.

If I think about writing, I write its, but when I'm thinking what I want to write and my fingers just type it, it is like a layer of execution intercepts that thought and correct it.

I guess that's just the brain and one of its features, it's nuts.

Getting back to the subject, this is one of the biggest issues, idiots who hold our data and yet don't add salts to their encryption because salt is bad for you.

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