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It seems completely reasonable to include terms preventing this type of behavior on their service.


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totally reasonable course of action given their existing terms of service

Oh, well, if it's a violation of their Terms of Service, then everything is perfectly OK. /s

Notions like this are what makes it so easy for the real world to hate people in the tech bubble.

Protip: Terms of Service !>= Doing the right thing


I think the terms of service is probably just written that way to avoid liability.

I like how the terms require the users of the service to "be responsible" but disclaim all responsibility on the part of the service provider.

One more thing they should mention in their terms of service.

It's their service, they're bearing the weight of being your "straw person," they can do what they want. I see nothing wrong with them writing their terms of service to reflect their values, and conveying them it in a cheeky manner like this.

And customers are free to refuse to engage with companies that have such clauses in their terms-of-service.

these clauses are pretty common for this type of contract. it allows the service provider to not have to worry about whether or not their contract allows them to kick an abusive customer off their platform.

Isn't the whole point of Terms of Service to protect against being sued in the event of these kind of instances?

Incidentally, this is what I found in the terms of service for a certain popular website. I alerted them to it, and they are looking into rewording it to be less absurd.

It's covered by their terms of service.

They don't have to be currently lying for this to be a valid concern.

Clauses in terms of service are routinely updated or removed.


There is almost certainly a broad prohibition against misusing their services in the terms.

There's little point in them trying to enumerate all the ways you might do that.


It's justified in being called simple if companies are actually doing this.

I did find HubSpot[1]:

> We may limit or deny your access to support if we determine, in our reasonable discretion, that you are acting, or have acted, in a way that results or has resulted in misuse of support or abuse of HubSpot representatives.

I'm still skeptical because actually enforcing that clause seems like it could lead to an expensive lawsuit. The angriest customers are naturally the most litigious ones, too.

[1]: https://legal.hubspot.com/terms-of-service


“…except as described in our Terms of Service.” according to that paragraph

That's reasonable enough. I think when there are contracts people actually want to use, no one will be turned away by the small chance that the entire ecosystem will maliciously alter that contract.

Whether they don't right this second doesn't matter. Their terms of service say they can. If they decided it was unthinkable that they would ever do this, they could have written their TOS to be less overreaching. But they didn't do that. Therefore they think it's a possibility (if in fact they are not already doing it. Are you so sure? How do you know?)

I believe they codified their intention to keep doing exactly thta, into their terms of service.

You can just read the terms and choose whether or not to pay for the service. Unless they're omitting these things from their terms, I don't see the problem. They're telling you what you can do, and you're choosing whether to pay for it.

Yes, that was their intent.

But the over-lawyer-ification and impracticality of opting out of corporate terms of service is an widespread problem. This is an interesting expansion of that problem, so it deserves highlighting.

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