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>Sorry to nit pick but human rights protect you from having force used against you.

Right - people should be protected from the government using force to lock them in a cage without communication to the outside world.



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> In a battle between property rights and human rights, at some point human rights takes precedence.

Property rights are human rights.

I have a human right to be secure in my person and personal effects, and a human right to enforce that security against transgressors.


> Human rights abuses are not politics though.

They absolutely are political. The entire concept of human rights is political. There's a widespread consensus in many, many countries that they are worth protecting, but there's nothing magical or special about human rights that gives them any power beyond any other political decision.


> There should be no room for human rights and comfort in a place for those who unabashedly trampled the rights and lives of others.

Why is this? Aren't "human rights" rights that apply to all humans?


> Human Rights are Universal and Unalienable

Clearly not.

You can go to many places on earth, even major western countries, where people do not have these rights.


> No human construct grants a person a right to violate human rights

Human rights are a human construct. Moreover, they only make sense within the context of social contract which only becomes practical when enforced by a government.


> Human rights include the right to life and liberty

Literally the first one is to life.

https://www.un.org/en/global-issues/human-rights#:~:text=Hum....


>(which are not "human rights" in the sense that you do not have the right to compel other people to perform the labor required to supply you with these things)

Food, shelter, and medical care are absolutely human rights: https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

>(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care


>Human rights should be universal and not something that should be limited just because you were born a certain way in a certain place.

Why is it that you think so?

Why is it that your definition of human right, which seem to include being able to occupy that board of directors, should apply to anyone else?


> They are required.

Why are they required and what are they required for? Countries exist that don't have the exact same human rights, so clearly those rights don't need to exist for a nation or an individual to successfully exist.


> you cannot sell yourself as a slave even if you are willing to.

That's because human rights are inalienable, meaning they can neither be taken nor given away.


>It is subject to different rules.

A person acting under the auspices of a state has no right to violate human rights. A state is merely a human construct. No human construct grants a person a right to violate human rights.


> By that argument, if you believe in any human rights, if a worker is needed to enable it they also are slaves.

This is why many people object to so-called positive rights. Positive rights oblige others to action. Negative rights oblige inaction.


> the security and protection of property under the rule of law should be a human right

Well, it is - although the extent to which this should extend from humans to corporations is debatable. Otherwise you end up with situations like Philip Morris suing Australia over their anti-smoking policy.


> So, in your view, human rights cannot be suspended, even if there is an emergency?

This does seem a pretty common misconception. People seem to forget that even the most liberal countries still regularly and systematically infringe on people's rights, e.g. by imprisoning criminals. But you don't see many of the anti-lockdown types protesting the existence of prisons.

In both cases, it's a matter of proportionally balancing the loss of individual rights with the interests (and indeed, other conflicting rights) of the community as a whole.


> depriving them of their inalienable human right to life (by tolerating their lack of food and shelter and sanitary conditions)

Do you believe it's a human right to receive food, shelter and sanitary conditions? I don't. For me, people have a right to work for (or otherwise pursue) those and if unfairly prevented by other people (and not by circumstances outside human control, such as mental illness), their rights are violated. But that's as far as the human rights go.


> I disagree that it's a fundamental right.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...


> Can you expand on an example of a 'new' human right that would be authoritarian in nature

How about a right to live in a community free of external interference—a stronger version of the right to self-determination? You could argue that it would prevent acts of external aggression, but it could also be used to prevent aid when a nation's people are being oppressed.


> We need more constitutional human rights

you mean those that are taken away by governments at the blink of an eye?


> Human rights should only exist as long as they can't conflict with each other.

That's an empty set then. See trolley problem for why.

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