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The difference here is that if I fail to secure my wallet only I loose my money, but if the bank fails to secure their database, all its customers loose their money.

Not the same thing. Banks are insured against robbery and theft, so if something like that happens, customers don't lose their money. In addition, there's an insane amount of fraud protection in the banking industry, and billions of dollars of vested interests to make sure criminals are caught and prosecuted.

Can you say the same about cloud services?


This comment perfectly illustrates the need for free spreech absolutism.

First, it's just about denying speech to Nazis. Then, everyone who "argues to the contrary" is also a Nazi, and presumably doesn't deserve free speech either. And voila, when you want to deny speech to anyone in the future, you can shut down anyone defending them as well.


The thing is, many people conflate Freedom of Speech with free speech.

The former is the constitutionally protected freedom from government persecution (e.g. imprisonment) based on what you say.

The latter is the misguided belief that you should be allowed to say whatever you want in public without consequence.

I strongly believe it is morally wrong to side with people who support genocide, and whose predecessors have committed genocide. It is morally wrong to suggest they should be allowed (by other members of the public) to continue touting and spreading their hateful, vile ideologies. Siding with such people doesn't make you a Nazi, but it's still pretty bad.

They do have the right, i.e. Freedom of Speech, to demonstrate without government interference. They absolutely do not have the right, morally or otherwise, to demonstrate without interference from public groups.

America fought and defeated the Nazis in World War 2. Can you imagine this "both sides are wrong" argument being pushed forth back then?

Well, actually you don't have to imagine it. In the late 1920s and early 1930s when Nazis were still a relatively fringe extremist group, Antifa was violently opposing them and beating them up in the streets. And many members of the German public, mainly the German middle class, denounced such violence, which only served to empower the Nazis, who could in turn say "See? Violence is wrong! Everyone says so!"

We all know how it all ended up.


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