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What is that gonna achieve exactly? Aren't prices gonna just inflate upwards and things become less affordable?

If you just pay everyone X amount of money every month for whatever, it just means that in order to produce something you'll need to pay someone a lot more than that X amount in order to work and produce it and also it means that that item is gonna increase massively in cost in order to pay the items production itself.

I am highly against that idea.

You want to solve issues? Give free food/water and shelter for survival, thats all a human needs. It doesn't need to be a food from a chef or Evian water or a house with even an internet connection. All it needs is just to provide some safety that that person is not going to die of starvation or weather. Other than that if you want to have a better have and lifestyle well you have to work for it.



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Yes. If you pay everyone the same and you wait for years for the inflation to kick in and stabilize.

it's not gonna have much effect if only a few thousands people are paid (who may already get unemployment benefits by the way).


> What is that gonna achieve exactly? Aren't prices gonna just inflate upwards and things become less affordable?

Inflation is generalized increases in prices.

I really dont understand why people make the argument that UBI would cause inflation due to demand: it would shift prices of many products (because increased demand in basic cheap goods) but probably marginally so and even then it would not affect inflation rates as a whole. High luxury cars are not going to have more demand.

> If you just pay everyone X amount of money every month for whatever, it just means that in order to produce something you'll need to pay someone a lot more than that X amount in order to work and produce it and also it means that that item is gonna increase massively in cost in order to pay the items production itself.

Outlandish claim! We dont know how its going to happen. Its not true that you have to pay more, actually you could argue you will have to pay less, as UBI supplements the income: i.e. someone that wants to make 1500U$S a month, and with UBI gets 500, might be satisfied with an easy 1000U$S job.

True, the jobs that nobody wants to do will probably have a higher premium: it gives higher leverage to every human being as they can choose not to work a bad job like garbage disposal, or cleaning up road kill. So some labor is subject to decreased supply,and others of increased demand. Its impossible to know what would happen without experimentation.

> You want to solve issues? Give free food/water and shelter for survival, thats all a human needs.

This is the exact opposite point of whats truly attractive about UBI. Free food and shelter is very expensive to give through the state ,and much cheaper to just hand out money!

For example, SF spent 241 million dollars in homeless programs in a year[1]. There are about 6,500 homeless people in SF[2]. Alternatively, the city could have given them 37k U$S cash and come out ahead, effectively putting them above the median income in the US[3]

In theory, the city could literally make the homeless people disappear overnight at no extra-expenditure.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/S-F-spends-record...

http://projects.sfchronicle.com/sf-homeless/numbers/ [2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_... [3]


> What is that gonna achieve exactly? Aren't prices gonna just inflate upwards and things become less affordable?

It is a try to save capitalism from itself. You see, today's tech is turning entire sectors obsolete (e.g. self-driving cars). In a standard capitalistic economy, you work at XCorp who pays you (the employee) in order to be able to buy their products. This model worked in the 20th century where industries (e.g. Ford) had thousands or even millions of workers all over the place. Now we have 5-member companies running startups with millions in turnover.

Today average Joe has a very hard time finding a job that will allow him to create a family and live well and no, not everyone can become an engineer, lawyer, doctor or banker.

So, we either find a way to re-distribute wealth or we're up for a bumpy ride that will end bad for everyone...

Universal income is an idea that is making rounds and is generally accepted by modern economists (left, right and liberals) in various forms of course. The idea is that someone with rather basic needs, will spend all his income in food, shelter, clothes, etc. So, since it's nearly impossible for them to find job, just give them money to spend buying stuff, even iPhones if possible...

I believe that we're in a phase of uber-consumerism. To sustain this kind of unnatural growth, capitalism needs to find virtual ways of creating demand or we need to start exporting to mars.


> in order to produce something you'll need to pay someone a lot more

At some point it becomes worth automating the work and that means no rising pay and fewer humans having to do jobs they dislike.


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