You lead me down a path, then expertly knock down the strawman. Read what you just wrote in comparison to my original statement, and you'll see they have nothing in common. Also, that's a bit rich considering that your argument basically consists of them obviously not being the same thing, because they have different names! Which is a bit like saying that physics and math obviously have nothing to share with each other, because they have different names...
All I ever said is that the English use of these constructions is descended from Germanic, and can be analyzed in a similar way to the parallel constructions in modern German. And all I've ever said is that perhaps we can learn something by seeing how this other construction is analyzed. Much how physics and math heavily informed each other.
> All I ever said is that the English use of these constructions is descended from Germanic, and can be analyzed in a similar way to the parallel constructions in modern German.
You're saying that a prepositional phrasal verb is like a Germanic separable verb. But it's not. A particle phrasal verb is, but not a prepositional phrasal verb. You're deliberately trying to erase the difference in order to pretend that there is no difference.
> You're deliberately trying to erase the difference in order to pretend that there is no difference.
Well, here at least you are correct. However, it's not like I'm doing it willy-nilly. I am purposefully reanalyzing the construct, and coming to the conclusion that by doing so it makes a problem disappear. Oh, and at the same time, it also falls in line with these common constructions throughout at least West Germanic languages, of which English is one. So it makes a lot of sense on multiple levels, so why should it not be a valid analysis?
And so far the only argument you seem to have is that, no someone else beat me to the punch. This construct has already been analyzed and named and so I don't get to do that. Which seems like a pretty silly argument from this side of the table; that kind of stuff happens all the time. In science, in math, in engineering... I'm sure in other fields with which I am less familiar. There's always a process of refinement in studying the world, a constant improvement in methods of thinking and doing. That's how progress happens. Otherwise we'd all still be bashing rocks together, because rocks are used for bashing and that's been decided and I don't get to look at the situation and decide that hey, maybe this bronze stuff is better for bashing.
> And so far the only argument you seem to have is that, no someone else beat me to the punch.
No, the argument is that prepositional phrasal verbs and participle phrasal verbs are used differently and follow different grammatical rules. It's not just a matter of "oh someone declared it to be so", it's a matter of that's how the language actually works.
All I ever said is that the English use of these constructions is descended from Germanic, and can be analyzed in a similar way to the parallel constructions in modern German. And all I've ever said is that perhaps we can learn something by seeing how this other construction is analyzed. Much how physics and math heavily informed each other.
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