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"Popper was kind of an egocentric jerk."

Oh, the staggering irony of responding to the charge that philosophers don't produce anything worthwhile with an ad hominem. Res ipsa loquitur.



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You missed the "Nope, see above." part right before your quote.

No, I didn't miss it. The fact that the ad hominem was accompanied by another argument does not change the fact that it was an ad hominem.

(The other argument was also mostly bogus IMHO, but making that case would take a lot longer.)

UPDATE: actually, I've changed my mind. The other argument can also be dispensed with rather quickly:

"Only the philosophers always make a good choice, because the ultimate thing they study, at the end, is the Form of the Good itself. Philosophy, in its purest form, contains the study of what it is to live a good human life. As Socrates said, the unexamined life is not worth living for a human being."

And what if, after decades of study, you come to the realization that Socrates was wrong and you have actually wasted your life? What if "the good life" actually involves not worrying so much about what is "the good life" and just getting on with it, going to baseball games, hiking in the woods, building a shed in the back yard?


>the unexamined life is not worth living [...] not worrying so much about what is "the good life"

Unexamined, not overexamined.


Pointing out a single fallacy in the context of the whole argument seems pretty facile to me.

An elementary fallacy in the context of a discussion of whether or not philosophy has made progress seems pretty salient to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

Still irrelevant to the subject. It doesn't prove or disprove anything.


I'm trying to prove or disprove anything. I'm just saying that I think it's ironic.

It wasn't ad hominem. He had addressed the argument, and refers to that, before adding that Popper was an egocentric jerk. That might be abusive, but it's not ad hominem (because it's in addition, not instead of, a rebuttal of the argument).

See the excellent "Ad Hominem Fallacy Fallacy":

https://laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html


We'll just have to agree to disagree about that. It's pretty clear to me that "egocentric jerk" was intended to impugn Popper's credibility and not just a random insult.

But if it wasn't an ad hominem, then it was a non-sequitur. Either way, it's not the most effective way to support the position the philosophy has made progress IMHO. Hence: irony.


Being an egocentric jerk makes you no less credible, it just makes you unpleasant.

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