Debate only works if one side isn't arguing in bad faith.
We should simply allow political stances that have real harm to simply run amok with "debate"? That got us 140,000 dead.
Yeah, I'm kinda done with the "debate" idea. It's time to bring "consequence" to people's political stances.
The only reason people are bitching about "cancel culture" is that they finally have to face some consequence for their political stances.
The problem I have with "cancel culture" is that it feels like "animal rights" activists that throw paint on old ladies but leave Hell's Angels alone. "Cancel culture" only seems to attack people who won't do real damage if they fight back--somehow I don't see Trump, McConnell, etc. suffering very much.
> We should simply allow political stances that have real harm to simply run amok with "debate"? Yeah, I'm kinda done with the "debate" idea. It's time to bring "consequence" to people's political stances.
At least you're open about your opposition to free speech. That's something I guess... In your mind, are your political cohorts always going to wield the power to cancel or can you imagine a world in which the far right wing holds that power and persecutes you and yours for your views based on the same arguments you make above? In the latter case, do you think you would hold to your views on free speech? Why or why not?
> At least you're open about your opposition to free speech.
"Free speech" is about the government suppressing your speech. If private individuals find your speech odious, they are perfectly within their rights to shun and ignore you.
> In your mind, are your political cohorts always going to wield the power to cancel or can you imagine a world in which the far right wing holds that power and persecutes you and yours for your views based on the same arguments you make above?
I'm already standing in a culture that "cancels" me.
For example, a bunch of people hooked up to a well-funded political propaganda apparatus believe that a global pandemic is "a liberal hoax" against the backdrop of 140,000 dead and a global economy in shambles.
A pandemic isn't up for debate--it's a fact.
So, these people get exactly what they want at my expense and I'm just supposed to take it in the name of "free speech"?
What is MY recourse? Where is MY justice?
Yeah, I'm not happy about "cancel culture", but right now it's the only damn thing sticking up for me that is actually effective.
Feel free to suggest what I should be doing instead.
I don’t understand what you think cancel culture has to do with the pandemic, and the debate surrounding cancel culture is about “free speech principles” not your first amendment rights specifically. The pandemic, the mismanagement, and the hoax hoax are all bad things, but they are not cancel culture.
> "Free speech" is about the government suppressing your speech.
No it's not.
"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."
-- United Nation Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 19 https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
We should simply allow political stances that have real harm to simply run amok with "debate"? That got us 140,000 dead.
Yeah, I'm kinda done with the "debate" idea. It's time to bring "consequence" to people's political stances.
The only reason people are bitching about "cancel culture" is that they finally have to face some consequence for their political stances.
The problem I have with "cancel culture" is that it feels like "animal rights" activists that throw paint on old ladies but leave Hell's Angels alone. "Cancel culture" only seems to attack people who won't do real damage if they fight back--somehow I don't see Trump, McConnell, etc. suffering very much.
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