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Factorium | karma 639 | avg karma 2.68 · 2021-09-13 14:18:26

Its not necessarily smart, these people will go on to impose large welfare, pension, healthcare burdens on the host society.

Its easy for the French political elite to sign laws like this, but the social and economic burden of these decisions are borne by the lower classes.

Its much more likely that this is a decision to add an extra 12,000 Macron voters to the rolls.

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wreath | karma 709 | avg karma 2.0 · 2021-09-13 14:59:17

they contribute to the system so they should be entitled to reap the benefits regardless of citizenship status. Your argument could be said for the unproductives natives as well, who are a burden on society

thatfrenchguy | karma 3514 | avg karma 2.91 · 2021-09-13 15:12:33

They don’t, in France you pay money into healthcare/retirement and you don’t need citizenship to get welfare.

Valuing people who put their lives on the line during a major healthcare crisis is the right thing to do.

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gamesbrainiac | karma 1788 | avg karma 3.26 · 2021-09-13 17:29:52

These immigrants in general have more children, who in turn work and pay for your pension. French birthrate is below 2.11.

Factorium | karma 639 | avg karma 2.68 · 2021-09-13 17:50:50

If French society is anything like Danish society, migrants from certain regions will use more in Government services than they will contribute in taxes:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S00148-017-0636-1

"Immigrants from Western countries have a positive fiscal impact, while immigrants from non-Western countries have a large negative one"

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systemvoltage | karma 9933 | avg karma 2.22 · 2021-09-13 19:18:41

I visited Marseille a few years ago and the place is run down by immigrants to the point of no return. Filthy, druggy, prostitution everywhere.

WastingMyTime89 | karma 6297 | avg karma 3.53 · 2021-09-14 04:38:14

Marseille has been run down by drug trafficking and decades of neglect by the French state not immigrants. In a way it has to do with immigration In that the reason Marseille was so neglected and poor is because it houses a large part of the Algerian diaspora which came after France lost its last colonial war something the French government would rather forget than address.

legacynl | karma 231 | avg karma 1.3 · 2021-09-14 11:20:02

People from certain non-western countries have bigger disadvantages in respect with the language, education, either lack of, or degrees not being recognized, and financial means.

This has nothing to do with those people's culture or willingness to work or something like that. If a German immigrant had the same disadvantages, he would struggle just as much.

Furthermore, the point is moot anyways, because the economical value of a citizen goes beyond simply tax-payments minus benefits-received. These people are also customers that local businesses depend on, and any money spent on benefits will mostly directly flow back into the local economy.

Another important point is that these disadvantages disappear over the generations.

Another VERY important fact is that immigrants actually save us from the massive costs of an increasingly 'grey' society (due to low birth rate).

I'm not going to put every reason here how immigrants provide benefits. But I hope it's clear that there's a little bit more involved with determining economic impact than just tax minus benefits.

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