This is the expected outcome for the genders he interacted with. Why is this 1487th case of a senior and valuable member of an organization being removed by a group of deviants newsworthy?
Much better and more grounded arguments were made. This article is honestly a grounded view of someone who is being incredibly toxic for a community that is honestly concerned with improving (after perhaps a suboptimal history).
We as a community do not tolerate verbal abuse or marginalizing[0] language anymore. Grow up, live in the fucking now (and not the 90s/2000s when open source was a good ole boys' club) and adjust your attitude -- or face the consequences. It doesn't matter how long you've been in the community or how much you contribute; you are not entitled to leadership or prestige if you're a bigoted asshole.
[0] There was a great bit in the series Rules of the Game where a character says "Don't use words like 'hottie' or 'lush'; it's marginalising." The choice of "marginalising" over "offensive" is a clever one; offensive language is subjective, whereas marginalizing language objectively reinforces existing power structures designed to exclude.
Who does Linus marginalise? I can accept "someone" as an answer but I think that word has a darker connotation which is deeply unfair to ascribe to Linus given that he is rude and obnoxious sometimes but I don't think he's ever rude and obnoxious about (say) Chinese people or amputees.
> We as a community do not tolerate verbal abuse or marginalizing[0] language anymore. Grow up, live in the fucking now (and not the 90s/2000s when open source was a good ole boys' club) and adjust your attitude -- or face the consequences. It doesn't matter how long you've been in the community or how much you contribute; you are not entitled to leadership or prestige if you're a bigoted asshole.
English might not be my native language but, in my opinion, this statements contradicts itself.
It is sad that one of the most prestigious Linux distributions, and the one I have been using daily for a decade, is apparently being run over by contemporary politics which are incredibly irrelevant to the nature of the project.
Projects have culture as well as technology. Sometimes you do need to keep an eye on the former.
In this case I don't know enough about Debian to say, but the idea that "politics" is by definition irrelevant to software projects by virtue of ignoring this cultural/human aspect is why people don't like nerds (which I do think is a very hurtful stereotype mostly peddled by jealous/confused morons, but it's not always wrong)
The relevant culture is the belief in free and open source software, in openness and transparency, and a community oriented approach, as stated in the Debian Social Contract.
All of which are quite irrelevant to the incredibly exaggerated gender and identity politics landscape of the US right now
It's, unfortunately, not specific to US. This "freedom movement" has reached also some european countries. English does not really have a gender for substantives but the languages who have sound ridiculous.
The identity politics of 1860 denied base humanity of black people. The identity politics of 1920 didn't allow women to vote. The identity politics of 1960 didn't allow black people to vote. The identity politics of 2010 didn't allow gay marriage. The identity politics of today persecutes parents of transgender children, forbids abortion of life-threatening ectopic pregnancies, and censors educators who would talk about the history above.
What's wrong with 'contemporary politics?' Are the politics of yesteryear actually preferable?
The identity politics of today supports the notion that a 13 year old has the right to go down into irreversible paths if they have been brainwashed by the internet that being trans is cool.
And that has nothing to do with an open source operating system.
Actually, the current guidelines by health authorities do not allow irreversible treatments for minors. They do allow puberty blockers, which are commonly used in cisgender children who experience precocious puberty, and are reversible. Your claim of brainwashing is unhelpful to any conversation.
But, don't forget the nonconsensual genital mutilation of infants. It's waning in popularity, but still incredibly common both in males and children with ambiguous genitalia.
> And that has nothing to do with an open source operating system.
That presumes an ideal, spherical, frictionless maintainer/contributer in a vacuum. Open source operating systems are developed and used by real humans.
> Actually, the current guidelines by health authorities do not allow irreversible treatments for minors.
Nonetheless, girls under the age of 18 are having their healthy breasts removed for reasons of 'gender affirmation'. With some bitterly regretting it when they become adults.
Here's a peer-reviewed paper describing a cohort who had such surgery, many of whom were minors: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abst... (see the figure titled "Age at Chest Surgery in the Postsurgical Cohort" - it shows that 33 of the 68 study participants were minors when they were given the surgery).
> They do allow puberty blockers, which are commonly used in cisgender children who experience precocious puberty, and are reversible.
It's reversible up to a point. And the long-term side effects of using these drugs for children with gender dysphoria diagnosis are unknown. There is currently much concern within the medical establishment about potentially damaging effects on teenage brain and bone development.
> Your claim of brainwashing is unhelpful to any conversation.
The commenter above used strong language, but that does indeed seem to be what is happening for many young people in this situation. Here's a fascinating account of one detransitioner about what she went through regarding this: https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name, well worth reading for anyone with a passing interest in this topic.
> They do allow puberty blockers, which are commonly used in cisgender children who experience precocious puberty, and are reversible. Your claim of brainwashing is unhelpful to any conversation.
Source?
I don't have a good source either way, but I most recently heard the issue described in the economist and their description definitely doesn't seem reversible.
>There are mounting worries about the use of puberty-blockers, which may be given to trans-identifying children from about the age of nine, and the cross-sex hormones that in most cases follow. Blockers have not undergone a clinical trial for this purpose. They prevent bones from developing properly and may affect brain development. When combined with cross-sex hormones they can lead to infertility and inability to have an orgasm. Several countries are curtailing their use.
My thoughts: Linus's conduct isn't great, people who make a huge fuss about it often need to touch grass.
I pay actual money every month to organizations that could be described as part of the woke-conspiracy, I believe in them, but some parts of this culture are simply ridiculous. They mean well but all this analyzing/micro-aggression crap is a coping mechanism that I can only feel leads to a weak mind.
I remember asking someone, from a position of genuine curiousity (albeit slightly morbid because I was surprised and felt it was subtly quite misandrist), why they felt having any men in an event for women to write code in made her feel threatened, and I got insta-talked-down-to by a moderator. This was at a university, they build these environments to try and help, but they end up separating people from arguments/other culture which I think just makes people lazy, dumb, and arrogant. I'm not in the "burn the whole rotten system down" camp, but it was eye-opening.
To understand women (and often also non-binary) only spaces, I guess one'd need to learn about trauma.
Imo the phrase "subconscious bullying" I think about covers "micro-aggressions" and was available before, but, idk, using that probably makes those accused of it less likely to engage.
There used to be a saying that left voters were simply right voters that has yet to be the victim of a crime, commonly with the subtext that people who are victim of crime by low social economic demographics are only acting rational based on that trauma.
I wonder how true that really is. My only personal experience is being held up at gunpoint by some dude tryin to steal my only computing device that i couldn't afford to replace.
How much a person is going to be effected by a trauma is individual and also in part culturally. Have you ever felt a need for a safe space against the demographic that held that gun? Do you feel unsafe when near people who look like them? Do you expect others around you to respect your view if you did feel unsafe, and do you feel a social support for the need for a safe space against that demographic?
I strongly believe that the projects that adhere to woke people like Debian seems to do will slowly be disfavored by developers and the most skilled ones will join other projects and they will then thrive while projects filled with SJW will slowly succumb to meaningless discussions, projects and become more and more irrelevant.
In order to make progress you can't throw out people because their opinions differs from yours. Identity politics is something that destroys productivity and prohibits challenging thoughts since it basically requires everyone to think and act in the same way.
Just look at Mozilla, Firefox usage it's the lowest it's ever been and their focus seems to be on everything except what's relevant to their core business.
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