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Amazing how what we will consider so we don't give up fossil fuels.


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At this point it isn’t about giving up fossil fuels anymore and more about acting to revert the damage already done. We appear to already be to late to prevent the 1.5degree global warming and even 2.5 which could cause a runaway effect. The only viable option is to let less energy hit the earth.

Making "less energy hit the earth" brings on disaster just that much more quickly.

That is because giving up fossil fuels is very difficult.

"How did you give up fossil fuels?"

"Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly."


A fossil fuels bankruptcy is not in the cards.

Collapse of civilization will sharply reduce CO2 output, with some side effects.

Yes it would, but that’s not in the cards either.

It is, if not very deliberately prevented. Distraction from what must be done only brings disaster nearer.

I believe that is very unlikely indeed.

Disaster is always the easiest course. If you don't believe it, just shut your eyes driving on the freeway. Please.

I’d love to know the mechanism because I just don’t see that. And leave out the death wishes if you are capable.

Not everyone--in fact, nearly everyone--doesn't subscribe to your sky-is-falling comments throughout this thread. Your ego and your news bubble may make it seem like everyone thinks the way you do, but they don't. Instead, people like you further radicalize and polarize everyone, which will only lead to conflict, not rational solutions. Take a moment and breathe. We're all alive, and life on Earth has never been better.

You are wrong. You do not understand how you are wrong, because you have not thought it through. You can start on that any time you like. Or keep on working toward making things worse. Your choice.

I'd be fascinated to hear how you've ascertained the personal views of all the readers of this thread.

Or of what bearing such public opinion has on the truth valance of beliefs or states of the universe.


Fossil fuels aren't going to be given up even remotely soon. They'll still be in use a century from now... because the alternative is pre-civilization, and nobody's going to go for that. Nobody. Billionaires are definitely not giving up their private jets, their 300 foot yachts filled with Russian whores, and their 15,000 square foot mansions that show just how grand and powerful they are.

Normal people aren't giving up their 70 degree indoor air conditioning in the middle of Florida, Texas, or California summers of 100+ degrees, either. You know what else us normal people aren't going to give up? Going to the store and getting a ribeye steak.

Technology is going to have to come up with solutions that we can live with, and we're going to have to accept some of the negatives of climate change. Period, end of story. Rich people aren't going to voluntarily suffer. And most of the Western world is "rich".


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