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Because the government is still actively pushing them.


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i’m sorry, but you haven’t explained why people should not get vaccinated. It would help the discussion if people got right to the point.

I never made the claim that people should not get vaccinated. What I said was—vaccines and boosters do not prevent you from catching it or getting sick. I also said that it does not appear that we know for sure that the vaccines and boosters actually make the disease milder because we don’t seem to have statistics that show an effective control group of non-vaccinated, first time sufferers of Covid 19 reactions to the existing variants.

A year ago, we were being told by the same people telling us now that the vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease…that the same vaccines prevent people from catching Covid. We also know that these same people have intentionally misled, emphasized problematic studies that supported their POV, and downplayed good studies that did not support their POV. They have played politics with science and that is bad.

So it’s important to look at this pragmatically. If the experts are telling us that their advice has evolved as their understanding of the disease has improved, it’s reasonable to assume their current advice is as problematic as their past advice.


“What I said was—vaccines and boosters do not prevent you from catching it or getting sick. ”

We knew this a year ago.

I’m pretty sure from the current studies that we do know, or at least strongly believe, that the vaccines, etc do reduce hospitalizations and death.

That would explain why they are recommended.

However, if more data comes in, please update us.


> We knew this a year ago.

Really? July of 2021 both President Biden and Dr. Fauci we’re making the claim on television that the vaccines “prevented” people from catching Covid.

If it was known a year ago that this was not true, but they said it anyway…do you believe that makes their case for vaccines today more persuasive?

More likely—“Current studies” at that time lead them to “know, or at least strongly believe” that the vaccines did prevent contracting the virus.

Either they were lying, or they were wrong. Either one of those reasons is enough for me to apply a fair dose of skepticism and pragmatism to the topic.

Perhaps you just have more faith than I do that this time things are different.


Yep.

Now please include a source for Dr. Fauci.

This tactic where you tell us what someone said and it turns out to be wrong is getting old.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-fauci-vaccineeffec...


Not July, but in late May of 2021. (appx 4min in to that interview there is an MSNBC clip from back then. So I am off by about 6 weeks.

https://youtu.be/5qp1BWSAQkc

However, July 23rd 2021 Town Hall, Biden conveyed same thing.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn...

I can find no clips of Fauci “correcting” the president after that clip. Only after it became apparent to everyone that the vaccines were not effective at preventing Covid, did the administration start shifting the narrative to the prevention of disease severity talking point.

Fact is, they were wrong, or they were lying to intentionally mislead to encourage vaccination. Either way, what they say now about it now should be examined skeptically.


> In other words, a vaccine will prevent the recipient from getting sick, but that person may still carry the virus and expose those who have not received the vaccine

I just read this little tidbit. So you posted here that he said in July in essence: “that the vaccine will prevent the recipient from getting sick” (which as we know, quite wrong). Yet, you derided me for saying that he said that very same thing a year ago.

Fascinating that you somehow think you are providing evidence on here that we shouldn’t be skeptical of the claims that are being made. You yourself are apparently engaing the same misdirection that the administration did.


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