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This was always a dumb idea. No different than a “master” TSA key. All it does is create a single point of failure.


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Kind of/almost a good thing. More and more security processors seem to have irrevocable keys or other non-user setups. It's. Just. Not. OK.

And more and more governments are making demands about decrypting users data on demand, about blowing up security for their own greedy needs. They have no idea the awful horrific mess, the buggy by design systems we get when we forgoe security for their paranoid snooping. This is such a textbook lesson. Alas that we need another blow to the face to remind ourselves.


You are of course wrong ! Becouse everyone needs to buy new... everything every 2 years ! It's good for some :>

3 people can keep a secret if two of them are dead. Good luck with hundreds!

There's an off by one error in the above statement. Not sure if it's the right or left hand side.

This quote, attributed to Benjamin Franklin, was meant to be understood as HHOS.

It was a genius idea - you cannot install Windows 11 on an old computer. So you need to buy a new one.

Monopoly practice hidden as security.


This has nothing to do with TFA, you're thinking of the TPM2.0 which is unrelated to secure boot.

Secure Boot is part of UEFI. TPM2.0 is used only by bitlocker (at least for the average person, enterprises do store other keys in it).


Oh, should I disable TPM2?

The TPM2 spec allows it to do much more than just hold private keys, it can act as a device identifier for attestation. If that's something you care about, then you might want to disable it.

The fact that Windows 11 won't work without a TPM is a bonus.


Guess I'm only worried about it being used against me. Don't know enough about any threats it might enable.

> TPM2.0 is used only by bitlocker

This isn't true at all, Windows Hello uses it as a secure credentials store.


Windows 11's system requirements include both SecureBoot and TPM2, so yes it is in fact relevant.

> It was a genius idea - you cannot install Windows 11 on an old computer. So you need to buy a new one.

> Monopoly practice hidden as security.

Actually you can, it's only checked by installer, if you modify it there is nothing stopping you from installing it. I have installed one on my parents computer. CPU wasn't supported but after installation everything worked ok.


The point is that it's more difficult and acts as discouragement. Ditto for the elusiveness of the word "support" --- it can mean anything from "nearly impossible" to "it works but we don't want you to".

Yeah. Microsoft not allowing me to install Windows 11 on my 486 is a secret ploy to force me to upgrade, when Microsoft makes no money on new sales of computers!

Eh, it's a bit more exclusive than that. I'm writing this comment on a Sandy Bridge Core i7 which handles current gen games (mostly thanks to the GPU, but still), yet Win 11 won't support it.

Not a huge loss in my eyes, I see Win 11 as a strictly worse OS than Win 10. Haven't yet seen any feature whatsoever that strikes me as an improvement.


>Haven't yet seen any feature whatsoever that strikes me as an improvement.

* Intel Thread Director support. Perhaps irrelevant because most people here are AMD fanbois, but it is a feature Windows 10 will not be receiving.

* Better support for high refresh rate monitors and variable refresh rate setups.

* Windows Subsystem for Android.

* More cohesive UI; Metro is slowly being phased out or changed to come back more in line with Explorer and the rest of the Windows UI.

* Better hardware and driver development support going forward. Windows 10 is officially on "extended support" with 22H2 being the last major release until the 2025 EOL.


Better support for high refresh rate monitors and variable refresh rate setups.

That's a GPU driver thing.

More cohesive UI

You mean more useless UI. Changes that no real user wants, like rounded corners and excessive padding everywhere.

...and don't forget the increased spyware and requirements to use an online account to login.


Also remember that time Microsoft said confidently that Windows 10 was the last version of Windows?

https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve...

"Microsoft could opt for Windows 11 or Windows 12 in future, but if people upgrade to Windows 10 and the regular updates do the trick then everyone will just settle for just "Windows" without even worrying about the version number."

Windows 11 is fetid garbage. There is no improvement worth subjecting myself to it and never will be far as I can see. I will never install or use it. LTSC for now and the forseeable future for my use cases. Updates are only done if I deem them additive and not routine. Security is not my biggest red line anyway. Updates are a choice not an inevitability and retaining choice is my right as a user as well as my responsibility to exercise wisely. Forcing compliance is a bad way to get me to do things. TPM, UEFI, Attestation systems of any kind are used as I see fit only and how I deem acceptable.

I rue the slow march away from customization, self-administration, interoperability and the long walk toward closed systems with trusted components required to work and perform basic things. That approval of the gatekeepers. I will stay my own gatekeeper, thanks. Netflix can suck it, i'll torrent it instead if it won't work without golden keys.

All that stuff is really only the foundation for the long game of future-proofing revenue streams for content makers anyway. A means to exercise control over it and you using it.


> Intel Thread Director support

Which requires a 12th generation CPU or newer. For those of us on a budget, that may not really apply. IIRC the cheapest one is the i5-12600KF at ~270USD. So maybe not that unaffordable.

> Better support for high refresh rate monitors and variable refresh rate setups.

Isn't this more to do with CPU/GPUs? I personally don't see this as a feature of a OS. This is also the first time I have heard of this.

> Windows Subsystem for Android.

Which *only works for apps on the AMAZON APP STORE*. Also known as functionally non existent for most of us. What a let down, and what a useless feature. Was very excited to do native testing of apps without an emulator of some description. But nope!

> More cohesive UI

In what world is the Windows 11 UI more cohesive? I have Windows10 for my home PC, and Windows11 for my work PC.

I can tell you exactly which UI is better, simply because one of them actually makes some bloody sense. They didn't even fix the hybrid settings menu mess with control panel. Or even allow opening multiple settings menus. The bloody start button starts in the middle! There are ads in the start menu for social media, ads in the start page for browsers. Task Manager's UI is literally broken, with non functional scaling.

I could list off a dozen other things just off of what I remember.

> Better hardware and driver development support going forward

Not relevant IMO. Not until Windows 10 leaves long term support anyway. This isn't a feature. Just like how Google abandoning your device; and you the customer being forced to move on isn't a "feature".


A first gen Ryzen is not a 486.

> Microsoft makes no money on new sales of computers!

They stopped doing OEM licenses?


Do you actually have anything in your checked bag that you care if it gets stolen?

literally any of it? it's my shit, don't steal it

All of the stuff I care about is in my carry on. Who wants to steal someone else’s clothes that probably won’t fit?

You're not all people.

This theft happens, that's the cut-and-dry of it.


I’m on planes more than once a month (nomadding+consulting). I work with people who travel 80% of the time.

Stealing luggage is so rare it’s meaningless. If you are really worried about your luggage, the easiest way to steal someone’s luggage is at baggage claim and just knock the lock off after they leave the airport.

There isn’t a ring of thieves at the airport stealing your clothes.

Lost luggage and delayed luggage is a bigger concern.


The person that stole my favorite green button shirt.

I still miss it...


its more so about mishandling. the entire tsa needs to be disbanded and put into actual productive work

So I mentioned in another reply that I’m in a plane more than once a month on average between nomadding and consulting.

The rest of the story is that my wife and I literally have everything we own - aside from our former home that’s now a rental and our “winter home” thats rented out 7 months a year - in 4 suitcases and two carryon book bags.

If we lost all four of our suitcases, it would be a nuisance. But we could rebuy everything for less than $1000.

The only time that our stuff was mishandled was when I made a mistake and put her portable mixer (Amazon - not an affiliate link https://a.co/d/iBQivv5) in my checked bag. I could see why X-rays thought it looked suspicious. They broke the power cord.


Might not have made my point clear. It’s not dumb because I actually trusted the TSA to keep my stuff safe. I’m a carry on guy, myself.

It was dumb because they thought the key would remain secret only to them, and thus provide an elegant balance of security and safety.


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