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The windows have no frame. They slide up into the body of the car. If the door opens, the car needs to roll the window down a bit, then open the door. Without power, none of that happens. And if you use the emergency switch, the window showers you in shattered glass. Quite an elegant system.


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Talk about form over function.

But, the design is to die for.

There’s no car I’d rather die in.

Truly an inspired design if that is the case. Also the fact that the rear doors either do not have an emergency release or you have to lift the carpet to get to it is a marvel.

Donald Norman very early in his book "The Design of Everyday Things" discusses door design in modern buildings focusing on the lack and/or ambiguity of signifiers. These vehicles solve the problem just by removing the ability to open them.


"Truly an inspired design if that is the case" - it's not the case.

"Rear doors either do not have an emergency release" - you mean like every coupé ever built? Since when were you protesting coupés? Rear doors not only do not have to have manual releases, but don't even have to exist.

"lack and/or ambiguity of signifiers" - the front manual release handle is not only not ambiguous, but is far more prominent than the electric release button, so most people with no experience with the car pull it instead of the button.

It's also, in all this, noting that modern cars have crash sequences. A crash is detected either (ideally) immediately before, or during its occurrence. A wide range of events are triggered, such as brakes, airbags, etc... and among the things triggered is *unlatching all the doors for easy egress* (the specific details depends on the door design - you want the door easy to open but not to pop out during the crash itself). Now, things can go wrong - the prime characteristic of a crash is that it mangles your car, and this can jam doors shut or cause other problems. This is why the Jaws of Life exists. But prepping the doors for egress is something that cars at least try to do during a crash.


> "Truly an inspired design if that is the case" - it's not the case.

I only read the article and some commenters here saying the windows break. The commenter above provides a reason for it that you say is not true. I stand by my comment, that if it is the case the design is "inspired"

>"Rear doors either do not have an emergency release" - you mean like every coupé ever built? Since when were you protesting coupés? Rear doors not only do not have to have manual releases, but don't even have to exist.

Don't most (all ?) of these cars have rear doors? What do coupés have to do with this? Convertibles don't have a roof but I would expect it in a sedan. If the doors exist there sould be a release that works in the case of this electrcal malfunction.

>"lack and/or ambiguity of signifiers" - the front manual release handle is not only not ambiguous, but is far more prominent than the electric release button, so most people with no experience with the car pull it instead of the button.

I expect this is the case for one model? The article has 2 cases of people that own these cars (a model y I think) and could not find the manual release without reading the manual or calling someone. Moreover the confusion you are describing (using the emergency rather than the regular release button) is exactly what ambiguous signifiers result in. This is a design failure as well.

I agree that unlatching the doors in a crash is a part of the crash sequence in many modern cars but these cases are not about crashes. Sudden power loss or an electrical malfunction should trigger the unlatching of doors and they seem to not. Jaws of life would not be a prudent way to get out of your car in these occasions.


Did you created this account just to post this dumbass comment ?

2-3 door cars are supposed to be left via moving the front seat. 4-5 door cars DON'T HAVE THAT FUNCTION, THAT'S WHY LACK OF EMERGENCY RELEASE ON THEM IS SO BAD.


I wonder how well that works in the winter when it's really cold?

Obviously, not very well.


Strange how Teslas aren't designed for either cold (many parts freeze) or hot climates (massive sunroof makes it unbearable)

My BMW Z4 had the same design. I'd go out in the morning and the door wouldn't open if ice had formed at the top of the window. I'd have to hold my hands on the ice and melt it until it was weak enough to scrape off.

It wasn't fun, but I did love that car.


I had a 2001 Subaru Outback with frameless windows, they didn't roll down at all when I opened the door with the 100% mechanical handle.

Yet another reason to never buy a Tesla. Along with the rest of the awful in-car UX and the at-best mid-pack overhyped ADAS: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/active-drivi....

Once I get my NACS adapter for my Bolt, the main reason to buy a Tesla will be gone as well. I wonder if my 2017 model needs a software update to connect.


Other cars manage to eliminate the window frame and can open and close without needing to lower the window.

"And if you use the emergency switch, the window showers you in shattered glass"

I'll take "Things That Have Never Happened" for $800

Most people with no experience with the car reach for the handle rather than the button, as it's more intuitive. The window does NOT shatter when they do this. The window is up against a rubber seal. Rubber has give - it just drags along the rubber. Which you'd ideally rather not do, but it's hardly the end of the world.

(In case anyone is wondering why it's like this - the cars have frameless windows. The same applies to all cars with frameless windows - Teslas aren't the only ones. Generally higher-end cars.)


> I'll take "Things That Have Never Happened" for $800

It's explicitly mentioned in TFA as something that happened.

) Exton followed the instructions for the manual release to open the door, but he said this "somehow broke the driver's window."


> The same applies to all cars with frameless windows

I drove a Dodge Neon in the late 90s with frameless windows. The windows were not powered and it did not have a system to lower them when opening the door. It just worked.


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