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I've got to say, Apple definitely lost me on this one. This feels bad enough that despite having an iPhone since the iPhone 3G, I'll likely jump ship when I need to upgrade unless they make a U-turn on this move.

EDIT: Wow, getting downvoted for saying Apple is losing me as a customer with this move is surprising. I don't understand how people on Hacker News of all places want conformity of thought. I switched from using Microsoft products to Apple when Vista came out. Microsoft lost my trust by that point and Macs were a viable alternative. Despite having a Macbook, iPhone, and an Apple Watch it seems like Apple is starting to lose me with this move.



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You haven’t daily driven Android since at least the iPhone 3GS, according to your comment. There’s a reason they’re able to charge 30%, have a dominant market position in the US, and people continue to release apps for iOS (and prioritize launching there over Android).

You’re also not the customer in this situation — you’re talking not as a developer but as an end-user without any mention of a subscription service that you pay more for because you’re on iOS, or mention of an app you want to side load.

And, you might switch back to iOS after experiencing Android. Your comment says basically nothing, except that you got rattled by reading the news. It doesn’t have to do with “conformity of thought”.

Also, editing to complain about downvoting is just asking to get more downvotes.


> There’s a reason they’re able to charge 30%, have a dominant market position in the US, and people continue to release apps for iOS (and prioritize launching there over Android).

I keep seeing this line of thinking in the comments (some may say these comments are conforming to a specific line of thought). When is the last time you used a modern android (Galaxy, Pixel, etc)? And really used it, not just tried to use your friend’s Android for a few minutes and then gave up?

I kept reading all these comments about how superior iPhones are on Hacker News. So after having used a MacBook (and being very happy with it over the past year) I bought an iPhone 14 to see if the iPhone also lived up to the hype. It doesn’t. It’s literally the same as an Android. There are no significant differences.

The gestures are a difference, but I kind of hate that about iPhones. You’re just supposed to somehow know these from tribal knowledge or reading something from some random thread (just violently shake the phone to undo typing, very intuitive!). After a couple months of use, I’m finally almost as good at using an iPhone as I was at using my Android. And once again, there are no significant differences. Of course, there’s a learning curve when you switch. But that should be expected. Give it 2 months, and then the devices will feel identical. They’re different, but in the end, they’re pretty much the same.

Edit: and btw, the same exact line of thinking can be used for Android. There’s a reason Google sets their App Store fee at 30%, and Android leads the market globally, and people continue to launch apps on Android.


The tribal war thing over android vs iOS makes me laugh. It really is ridiculous.

I have an iPhone XS and a Galaxy Fold 4, and have bounced around between android phone and iPhones over the years. I won't deny that there are some things Apple does better, but it's far from a night-and-day difference.

The most shocking thing to me was playing around with a budget phone once, it was a like $150 motorola I bought for a family member. After setting things up on it, I seriously felt like I was missing almost nothing compared to my iPhone XS.... that i paid $1000 for...

At this point the only reason I keep an iPhone is I really like my Apple Watch.


> At this point the only reason I keep an iPhone is I really like my Apple Watch

With LTE smart watches starting to get good, the dream for me is to just lose the phone. Hopefully whatsapp makes a client for the watches someday and I will have everything I need without all the distractions.


GP here. If you’re talking about the Moto G Play, it gets pretty slow after a few days of usage in my testing. I used it for 6 months last year. There’s several apps for Android that I would avoid using when possible because they were unbearable. A voice call with some video stream in Discord is probably the worst example.

It’s a far better option to buy a refurbished iPhone 8 for the same price, or get an Android phone at a higher price point.

It may be old now, but compared to the Moto G Play it’s probably similarly spec’d (minus RAM, which you need less of on iOS).


I used a Galaxy S8 for 3 years, I did like it, but switching back to a budget iPhone was marginally better for a fraction of the price.

I daily drove some budget phones last year on Android, which was not an enjoyable experience.

My original comment was more about why the other commenter got downvoted (it was irrelevant pile-on), not trying to take a strong stance here, but I can see how it came across now. I obviously have my opinions, though (a bit more so now after the budget phone experiments of 2023…)


GrapheneOS on Pixel makes 98% of Android problems go away. Just side-load F-Droid from the initially secure and barren state, install Aurora and Syncthing from F-Droid, configure Syncthing to pair with a PC partner (gives you that cloud feeling), and you have the absolute basics for a feature-equivalent Android device without all the rentier-model enforcement which comes on Soisung devices. If you need Google-stuff, GSF is available fully sandboxed and you can use Android profiles to highly isolate if so desired.

There is no good reason which comes to my mind to go with anything else if a sane, secure, privacy- and sovereignty-respecting mobile device is what you are after. 98% of devices are just beautiful overpriced subscription and microtransaction cash-traps. Just like setting a snare in the wild to catch a rabbit, Apple (and competitors) have constructed a beautifully seductive snare for you!


Forgive the unrelated reply, but can you actually downvote on this site? I only have an up arrow next to everything.


You can downvote comments after accruing a certain amount of karma (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html)

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