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What governments that aren't your allies?

Chips are produced in Taiwan, in Korea, in Japan. In that order. Which of those governments is not allied with the US of A?



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Read carefully :P close allies. Those allies are far allies. Sea lanes and supply chain risk is a real thing.

Is this some kind of joke? So who but Canada is your 'close ally' then?

It is a joke but it's also true. The entire Japan South Korea Taiwan situation is at a high risk, if actual conflict breaks out, Taiwan is out, and SK and Japan become trickier on shipping insurance costs alone, assuming they choose not to get involved (they probably will)

Obviously Mexico is also a close ally.


Japan cannot get involved unless the US is directly attacked, their constitution and laws governing use of the JSDF are very explicit in forbidding any use other than defending themselves or the US.

If (when?) Taiwan gets China'd, that by itself cannot serve as a casus belli for Japan.

I have no intimate knowledge with regards to South Korea's laws and will thus refrain from commenting there.


>Japan cannot get involved unless the US is directly attacked, their constitution and laws governing use of the JSDF are very explicit in forbidding any use other than defending themselves or the US.

Japan can change this on a whim with one meeting of the legislature. You think Japan can't change its own laws?

>If (when?) Taiwan gets China'd, that by itself cannot serve as a casus belli for Japan.

Wrong. I don't know that they would, but Taiwan is a huge trading partner and great friend of Japan, in fact Japan's closest friend in the whole region. It's quite conceivable that Japan would get involved.



All that shit is irrelevant. The prime Minister of Japan is actively talking about defending Taiwan if it's attacked. The people of Japan probably won't complain. The US won't complain. South Korea won't complain. And that's not even counting a casus belli that might make it justifiable (e.g. some Japanese citizen in Taiwan gets harmed, or chind sends missiles to US based in Okinawa)

What exactly do you think is the punitive remedy for Japan breaking clauses in thosd documents in that political scenario?


>The people of Japan probably won't complain.

Again, have some clue about what you're talking about first. You are embarrassing yourself.


People like him think there's some aliens who will come to earth and punish the Japanese if they violate the constitution as it's now written.

> Japan can change this on a whim with one meeting of the legislature.

They literally cannot.

> You think Japan can't change its own laws?

It can't amend the Constitution just with a vote in the Diet; it requires a supermajority in both Houses followed by a popular referendum.


China would attack US bases in Japan and that would trigger whatever needs to be triggered for Japan to enter the war. There’s no way that China would try and invade Taiwan while also not trying to stop the US from intervening.

I mean, if we are going to assume “China attacks Taiwan” means “China attacks US bases in Japan” we might ad well assume it means “China preemptively carpets Japan with nukes rendering any Japanese response irrelevant”, but in any case, no one is arguing that Japan would either not react to an actual attack on Japan that left them capable of response or would require Constitutional changes to do so. But “Japan” and “Taiwan” are still different things.

Since the US would come to the defense of Taiwan, it would use assets in the region so that includes naval and air assets. The air assets are based in locations such as Guam and Japan (among others). The US would launch sorties from those bases amongst others.

Can you think of a scenario in which China would attempt the worlds all-time largest amphibious invasion of Taiwan and then let the US just fly missions and drop in supplies or attack Chinese assets and not respond to the bases themselves? It seems incredibly unlikely to me.

There aren't any nukes that need to be involved here. Certainly there are potential scenarios in which those do get used, but neither the Chinese nor Americans have any strong desire to escalate a conventional war into a nuclear war. The scenario you are assuming would also include China and the US nuking each other and so that scenario itself is a bit silly whereas China attacking US air bases in the lead up to or during an invasion of Taiwan without escalating to nuclear weapons is a pretty serious scenario.

I get your point about Japan not being able to change their constitution so quickly and I don't disagree, but I think any scenario in which Taiwan is invaded and the US comes to its defense will drag Japan in to the war sufficiently enough that it will justify whatever it needs to do.


>Since the US would come to the defense of Taiwan, it would use assets in the region so that includes naval and air assets.

Such use of American forces based in Japan would require consent from the latter, which is not a given.

>Article 4 suggests that the United States will consult with Japan in some manner on how it uses the U.S. troops based in Japan.[1]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_a...


It’s a given in this particular scenario. Otherwise the US wouldn’t be there.

I think it’s a much more probably scenario (however extremely unlikely) that the US would fail to engage if the invasion occurred.


The US will never come to the defense of Taiwan. The US and China will never go to war with each other. Nuclear powers do not fight each other directly, they do it through proxies, like we are doing with Ukraine vs. Russia.

The U.S. might send money and materiel, they might get the U.N. to issue statements, but an actual shooting war between China and America? Forget it. It will never happen, because if it did happen, life would not be worth living anywhere on earth for the next 50,000 years.

And even sanctions are highly doubtful. Personally, I really like being able to design a circuit board and get it fabricated and shipped to my front door from China for $25. And massively interrupting the trade flow between China and the U.S. would lead to a world-wide depression which would make 2008 and the great depression look like boom times.

Surely Taiwan knows this, and I suspect that is why TSMC wants to build fabs outside of Taiwan.


Laws are just words on paper. They are irrelevant without people to follow and enforce them.

It is very common for Constitutional laws to be suspended in the event of war. Even without suspension, all it takes is a leader with enough support to ignore the law.


Nearly all Prime Ministers and their cabinets in recent history have suffered overall unpopularity and especially so in anything that might even remotely imply the potential for using the JSDF beyond its nameplate purpose.

Which is to say, no: No Japanese leader has had the kind of support necessary to ignore the law.


A militarily powerful China has also never attacked Taiwan before, so you're on sketchy ground asserting a prediction of popular support based on historical precedent.

Constitutions can be ignored if everyone wants it so.

Taiwan is a sacrificial ally. We support them, but don't acknowledge them formally.

> Taiwan

The precarious position of Taiwan is the main reason for this.

https://www.metaculus.com/questions/11480/china-launches-inv...


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