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danenania | karma 7541 | avg karma 3.05 · 2013-11-18 07:23:31

Of course spying is immoral. I sure wouldn't want to be the friend or partner of someone who thinks it isn't.

Torture and genocide are also very old tools in the 'art' of statecraft, so that's not much of an endorsement.

If the supporters of this stuff are really down to 'well everybody does it', perhaps that's a sign that it's really just bad behavior.

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alexeisadeski3 | karma 1486 | avg karma 1.63 · 2013-11-18 07:45:44+00:00

Nations spying on each other is immoral? Why?

coldtea | karma 86593 | avg karma 2.38 · 2013-11-18 12:01:27+00:00

Because it's used by larger nations on smaller nations to take advantage of them.

zaqokm | karma 122 | avg karma 2.3 · 2013-11-18 12:14:17+00:00

I wouldn't say that Indonesia is a smaller nation than Australia, and by GDP ranked by countries they appear close to each other.

Australia has had a strange relationship with Indonesia, for example Whitlam's involvement in Indonesia and Australia's involvement in Timor.

The most recent interaction has been the people smugglers and the Bali bombings.

So even though I am skeptical on countries spying on their citizens, the reason Australia spies on Indonesia ( and probably vis versa ), may be for very relevant reasons.

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