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Amex is also in general more likely to side with a merchant than Visa/Mastercard, who pretty much never do.


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What is this statement based on? I've been both a merchant and consumer, and haven't found this to be true at all.

Experience as a merchant. If we give Amex reasonable evidence that merchandise was received and a chargeback is unwarranted, there is a chance they will find in our favor, whereas Visa/Mastercard take the consumer's side almost unconditionally.

I suspect this because Amex is better staffed in this area.


What evidence do you provide? We've never once seen Amex side with us on a chargeback despite reams of evidence.

OK, Interesting, I haven't had the same experience, having won a few Visa chargeback attempts from customers that received merchandise as ordered. My experience is primarily B2B though, where there are credit card authorization and tax exempt forms involved. So, it's not like the customer can claim they can't recall ordering something, etc.

Based on what everyone else says, it's probably sample size. The number of people we have who buy something with their own card and then chargeback is pretty small for us (and it's usually in error).

A company I worked with had a dispute with a client over charges (fee for services + restocking fee) on her Amex. Amex allowed the client to keep disputing the charge multiple times. If the charge re-appears on her bill she'd file a new dispute.

Amex also directly provision merchant accounts for accepting Amex (separate to normal Visa/MC accounts) so they control both sides of the transaction.


> Experience as a merchant.

This is reasoning by anecdote; your experiences are not a valid sample size with which to draw such general conclusions about the whole field. Look how many are saying the opposite is true, your experience is probably an outlier, not the norm.


I think you have that backwards. Amex is the most consumer-friendly CC there is. Many retailers won't accept Amex for this reason.

Many retailers don't take Amex because they charge higher fees, not because they are consumer friendly (which they are).

In my experience, Amex is more likely to respond to a merchant presenting evidence that a chargeback is unwarranted. Visa/Mastercard essentially just say "tough luck," except in the case that a consumer has charged back by mistake.


I work at a bank and have extensive experience with this. Visa and Mastercard protect merchants while American Express protects consumers. Neither are absolute of course but these are the biases that each one has.

I find that the opposite is true. AMEX will advocate for the consumer, more so than VISA/MC (though that really depends on the financial institution).

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