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You're getting at the definition of human rights that comes from the libertarian movement.

That definition is much narrower than most people are willing to accept, because most people aren't willing to accept the libertarian terms of what society does or is for.



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Well, the modern libertarian movement actually got it from Ayn Rand, though the basic idea is older than Ayn Rand. I also got the idea from Ayn Rand. I'm not a libertarian.

Ayn Rand??? That idea is at least a couple of centuries older than Rand...

Yes, but the modern libertarian movement is a direct outgrowth of Ayn Rand. Even though they dropped the non-political parts of her philosophy. Amazing how I get -4 for stating a historical fact. I did state that the idea is older than Ayn Rand.

This definition dates back far before the libertarian movement, at least to John Locke's Second Treatise (published in 1689).

True, but Locke was very influential on the modern libeterian movement. I think the OPs point is correct.

The OP point is incorrect since it incorrectly states that Locke's definition of human rights came from Libertarianism.

The OP therefore doesn't have a point since their argument relies on a false statement.


We say many things are Christian principles even though they were taught by Jesus, who lived before Christianity was a religion.

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