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> If this were the case, most Republican politicians would be running on a carbon emissions reduction platform, but that's manifestly not the case. The vast majority are either silent on the issue or openly mock the idea of its existence.

It is the case. Look at the numbers, the data doesn't lie. I'm not talking about corrupt politicians, I'm talking about the people. Look up the numbers. Far worse policies, laws, wars, etc have been rammed through on negative popularity. Far slimmer margins are hailed as a "mandate" and "bipartisan" when it suits them.

It's not the people who need convincing at this point, it's the politicians. What the people need convincing of is something else, which is that it's now up to the politicians. They are the ones responsible, not some lunatic fringe or imaginary boogyman they've invented. Politicians. All politicians, and especially their politicians.

Don't let them keep fooling you into believing it's the unemployed coal miner in West Virginia who is to blame for them not taking action on climate change. It's the politicians. Both sides -- what are the Democrats doing about it right now that they control the executive and congress and have a decent position in the senate? The gravest and most important problem ever to have faced humanity. Must be that all-powerful hillbilly somehow stopping them from doing anything about it, eh?

EDIT: Take a look at this for example, https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/06/23/two-thirds-of...

Not only are the vast majority of Americans in favor of more climate action, actually the majority of Republican voters are in favor of significant policies. 55% in favor of taxing corporations based on their carbon emissions!!

So please stop spreading misinformation about this and don't let your corrupt politicians continue to fool you, continue to divide people, and continue to get away with their inaction on climate change. It's not some lunatic fringe of hated "others" who are preventing action, it's your damn lying, divisive, hatemongering, corrupt politicians.



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> It's not the people who need convincing at this point, it's the politicians.

I don’t think it’s that simple. “The people” want action on climate change, but they also want to get better of, or at least not get worse of. They want to keep their big cars, holidays far away, cheap electronics, they want to keep eating lots of meat, etc.

Nobody can give them all they want, so I don’t think it’s fair to blame the politicians for that.


It's exactly that simple. Stop making excuses for your terrible corrupt lying politicians. People didn't want to spend trillions of dollars on war, yet the politicians somehow made it happen. And they can't enact popular measures for what they tell you they consider to be the greatest problem ever faced by humanity? Get out of here.

When polled abstractly, a majority of people are in favor of fixing climate change. When asked if they’d personally cut back on beef, private car usage, HVAC, house size, and flyaway vacations, support is considerably lower.

When polled abstractly if people support spending trillions of dollars on war they don't. When asked if they would personally spend $6000 for every man woman and child in their house and send their son to die for just one war (of many), they also don't.

Yet decades worth of corrupt politicians on both sides have gleefully supported these criminal wars.

Again, how are they so unable to do anything when it comes to what they allege is the biggest problem ever to face humanity?

And a carbon tax on corporations which has bipartisan supprot does not mean everybody suddenly has to noticeably cut back on all those things. That sounds like the kind of fear mongering lying-by-polling that these crooked politicians love to use to shift the blame from themselves on to the people who in fact do want change.


> what are the Democrats doing about it right now

Democrats have been trying to do a lot.

The original Build Back Better was a cornucopia of climate policies (mostly clean energy tax credits) that was neutered to please Manchin and then he refused to support it anyways.

Biden also used the EPA's authority on pollution to regulate CO2 emissions from power plants. However, the courts have stalled this and the stacked Supreme Court will likely nix it.

The third major plank is the regulations on vehicles (50% of vehicles EV by 2030 and much more). That's still being drawn up, but Biden's union base is stalling it internally.

IOW, Biden was trying and failed. Since the war on Ukraine he's given up, or at least has tabled it.


No, they really haven't been doing much at all. They've been pretending to try and pretending to fail, then blaming "the evil rednecks". Unfortunately their base falls for it hook line and sinker.

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