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An inversion only happens when there is an incentive to do such. IP networks became much cheaper to run reliably and in a scalable fashion.

What problem does bitcoin solve for banks?



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Banks can have availability over consistency because we have enough laws and protections in place to reverse any fraudulent transactions.

With BitCoin, such an architecture could be abused rather badly.


Interestingly, the original bitcoin white-paper had a motivating example that basically amounted to side-stepping banks, because banks do not provide fully non-reversible transactions. In essence, bitcoin was a technological solution to a problem which would have been solved more elegantly by changing financial laws, and requiring banks to offer non-reversible transactions. (the problem with that is obviously that it could be used for fraud, but then you get into the whole debate about freedom vs protection)

Similar to what happened with voice communication, the financial infrastructure will suffer an inversion[1], the banking platforms will run on top of a global value-transfer protocol, instead of the other way around. What you describe at the end of your comment already exists, bitcoin exchanges are using a federated bitcoin sidechain[2] to transfer funds between themselves within their own consensus rules (they could implement reversals or any other feature without having to break the bitcoin consensus).

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKs5JSh3z7A

[2] https://blockstream.com/2015/10/12/introducing-liquid/


You're just moving the problem. Why would a bank built on top of bitcoin be better or more valuable to a bank built on top of the existing system?

The whole point of Bitcoin was to form an alternative to banks so that they don’t become all powerful. If banks become better actors as a result, that’s good for Bitcoin.

"In time this will change so you can just make Bitcoin payments from your checking account."

If Bitcoin could displace banks, what incentive do they have to displace themselves?


So what you're saying is that banks are more stable because only a small portion of their assets are kept as reserve? In that case, what's stopping bitcoin "depositories" such as this converting the bulk of their assets to something else as well?

Bitcoin is not a bank, and does not replace banks.

There's nothing stopping anyone from setting up a bank that handles your bitcoin transactions, and therefore can reverse transactions between two parties.

Replace "Bitcoin" with "Dollar" and you see how strange your statement is.


It's interesting how Bitcoin is now becoming exactly what Bitcoin was always against: a centralized bank. A bad and unreliable one at that.

It kind of shows you the evolution of our banking systems and why we need one.


So the important problem fixed by Bitcoin is getting some value which can be electronicaly moved.

I guess banks never thought of offering this kind of service. Thanks Satoshi!


Very astute points wrt the demand for banking services. Banking will always be with us.

Bitcoin has the advantage over fiat of having been designed with incentives of participants aligned so as to make the likelyhood of inflation extremely small over the long term. So the scenario that Bitcoin makes better is the one in which money printing would have occurred, but now can't because of recourse to Bitcoin.


Replace "Bitcoin" with "Banks", in your argument.

Doesn't change anything


I think this vindicates the banks' decision to build their own blockchains instead of building on top of the Bitcoin blockchain.

Banks and other settlement systems also solve that problem.... but cheaper than bitcoin.

So, what advantages does bitcoins more expensive solution to this problem give us?


The whole idea of Bitcoin was that you wouldn't use banks, but as we can see convenience trumps that.

Think about this: wire transfers. It has happened many times banks hold up the transactions and skim off the top with fees.

Bitcoin has no such issue, it's completely transparent and far cheaper.


The bitcoin industry has a long and chequered history when it comes to best practices.

Part of the appeal of bitcoin to many is "Banks are so unnecessarily expensive to transmit value", the bitcoin industry has slowly and painfully been learning one disaster after another that maybe some of that cost isn't unnecessary after all.


Even if you just rebuilt banks as they exist today on top of Bitcoin, you'd still get some pretty huge advantages, potentially massively increased security, speed, reduced costs, among others. Another big one is that these banks can service the entire global market, massively increasing competition among and hence quality of banking services.

Isn't that a problem?

The biggest banks got together and created a new network for transfers, and charge all the smaller banks fees to access it?

It sounds like another method of crushing competition.

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