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timdiggerm · 2016-09-01 10:41:17

Even if they are (which is apparently disputed), pointing out that someone is using a fallacy does not make them automatically wrong. Next time, you should try saying something more substantive than "Fallacy!"

striking | karma 11244 | avg karma 4.19 · | 2017-07-07 13:10:41

It's a fallacy to assume that just because a claim was argued in a fallacious manner, that it's also incorrect. (Which is close to what you said.)

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

Pointing out a fallacy by name is usually silly, but knowing how people twist debates and being able to defend against that is not.

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torgoguys | karma 1672 | avg karma 4.79 · | 2018-01-27 13:31:00+00:00

Correctly identifying fallacies is a useful skill. Doing it incorrectly and thinking you are correct is a detriment to yourself and conversation. (Kinda like how certain people say "fake news" to refer to things they don't agree with, even if it is factual).

heavyset_go | karma 25689 | avg karma 3.63 · | 2022-11-26 20:27:03

It would be the fallacy fallacy if I thought they were wrong, but I don't think they are. I think their reasoning behind their conclusion isn't completely sound, though.

matt-attack | karma 2224 | avg karma 2.09 · | 2016-09-01 11:36:28

> using a fallacy does not make them automatically wrong

I thought that is precisely what using a fallacy makes you. It's what the word fallacy means. It essentially means a "false statement".

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paduc | karma 55 | avg karma 1.62 · | 2013-03-18 11:29:46+00:00

You are correct. It's not because you use a fallacy in your discourse that you are wrong.

"The fallacy fallacy: You presumed that because a claim has been poorly argued, or a fallacy has been made, that the claim itself must be wrong."

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pbhjpbhj | karma 20396 | avg karma 1.24 · | 2022-11-06 07:26:25

>just because an argument's a logical fallacy, that doesn't make it incorrect. //

An argument that uses fallacious reasoning is an incorrect argument, but pointing out a fallacy doesn't negate a conclusion (that would be the fallacy fallacy).

So, we can't tell if the conclusion is wrong when someone uses a fallacy.

I'm guessing your link laid it out clearly.

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tortasaur | karma 342 | avg karma 2.69 · | 2019-12-10 08:47:31

An incorrect statement is not a fallacy. An incorrect statement can indicate a fallacy's presence, but in this case I don't believe it does.

IshKebab | karma 13023 | avg karma 1.29 · | 2017-08-11 15:06:13+00:00

That's not what a fallacy is.

BeFlatXIII | karma 1904 | avg karma 1.05 · | 2022-07-28 11:56:21

Pointing out fallacies doesn't work because doing so itself uses the fallacy of "I have proven you wrong, therefore I am right" when the most likely truth is both are horrendously off-base.

simplify | karma 1968 | avg karma 2.35 · | 2019-01-24 15:32:33+00:00

Which fallacy? I don't understand.

throwaway892238 | karma 2224 | avg karma 4.5 · | 2022-07-28 01:01:49

If a fallacy is wrong, wouldn't a fallacy fallacy be right

asdasf | karma 1190 | avg karma 2.04 · | 2013-09-25 13:11:36

You can argue that, but that doesn't make his statement a fallacy. Many people will argue that you are wrong.

JetSpiegel | karma 3479 | avg karma 1.41 · | 2017-11-20 19:22:30+00:00

You are comitting a falacy falacy. Just because an argument is fallacious, doesn't mean it is wrong.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy

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babypuncher | karma 4494 | avg karma 2.72 · | 2021-06-10 16:50:53

Merely pointing out a logical fallacy is not itself a fallacy. It can be used to discredit a bad argument.

It becomes a fallacy when you say Opinion X is wrong because its proponents used fallacious Argument Y.

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tdesilva | karma 42 | avg karma 2.33 · | 2019-04-13 04:02:58

It's called a fallacy for good reason.

octatoan | karma 406 | avg karma 2.22 · | 2015-02-22 10:05:10+00:00

I think there's a fallacy here . . .

bradrn | karma 2778 | avg karma 3.68 · | 2023-03-27 07:46:40

Hmm, good point, I didn’t notice they made it clear that this is a fallacy. But often people don’t!

powera | karma 2278 | avg karma 2.51 · | 2016-06-04 22:52:25

"Your personal attack at calling it a logical fallacy is noted." - no, it's not a personal attack, I'm saying the argument is incorrect.

pbhjpbhj | karma 20396 | avg karma 1.24 · | 2012-06-02 20:38:49+00:00

>Your argument invokes a logical fallacy //

Which of course doesn't mean that he's wrong.

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