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You are correct. It's not because you use a fallacy in your discourse that you are wrong.

"The fallacy fallacy: You presumed that because a claim has been poorly argued, or a fallacy has been made, that the claim itself must be wrong."



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Your logical fallacy is the “fallacy fallacy”.

You presumed that because a claim has been poorly argued, or a fallacy has been made, that the claim itself must be wrong.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy


Well, the claim that the opponent must be wrong, because he has committed a fallacy, is the fallacy fallacy...

You are committing a fallacy fallacy fallacy. If an argument is fallacious, it definitely is wrong. The proposition supported by that argument might still be right however.

An incorrect statement is not a fallacy. An incorrect statement can indicate a fallacy's presence, but in this case I don't believe it does.

It's a fallacy to assume that just because a claim was argued in a fallacious manner, that it's also incorrect. (Which is close to what you said.)

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

Pointing out a fallacy by name is usually silly, but knowing how people twist debates and being able to defend against that is not.


If a fallacy is wrong, wouldn't a fallacy fallacy be right

I'm sure I'm guilty of the 'fallacy fallacy'. It is easy to assume a position is wrong because the people who believe it make bad arguments.

I'm not making a value judgment about anything, so that particular 'fallacy' doesn't apply. Good arguments don't just call things fallacies and leave it at that. Besides, the existence of a fallacy in an argument doesn't necessarily make it wrong; it's called the 'fallacy fallacy'.

Something is probably whooshing over my head here.

The fallacy fallacy is when you argue a conclusion must be false because of a fallacy in how it was reached.


The "fallacy fallacy" is valid for itself, though:

> since the fallacy fallacy is itself a fallacy, it cannot be used to label an argument's conclusion as false without committing it in the process. "You have used the fallacy fallacy, therefore you are wrong"

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy


You are comitting a falacy falacy. Just because an argument is fallacious, doesn't mean it is wrong.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy


> using a fallacy does not make them automatically wrong

I thought that is precisely what using a fallacy makes you. It's what the word fallacy means. It essentially means a "false statement".


You can argue that, but that doesn't make his statement a fallacy. Many people will argue that you are wrong.

Wrong again, my friend.

At no point did I claim you were wrong simply -because- you used a fallacy. I had other, better, reasons for that. You are bad at this and I've become bored.


I'm fascinated by the idea of a "correct fallacy." How could such a thing ever make sense? Are you saying that you use this fallacy to reach a conclusion that you believe correct for other reasons? If so, why not state those other reasons and not use your fallacious reasoning? If not, how could your fallacy be correct?

Identifying errors in reasoning isn't the same as explaining why someone is wrong, though. Given the basic definition of an argument as a structure linking premises to a conclusion, a fallacy is simply a flaw in the structure. It doesn't invalidate the premises or the conclusion, only how they relate to one another. So while you're certainly free to attack the structure behind a conclusion, really you're better off attacking the conclusion itself with an argument of your own.

Ironically, I think you may have fallen victim to a kind of fallacy fallacy fallacy, because the fallacy fallacy concerns the interpretation of an argument assuming a valid fallacy in it does exist. At least according to Wikipedia's definition of fallacy fallacy.

Rather, in this case the parent post merely misidentified a fallacy.


Merely pointing out a logical fallacy is not itself a fallacy. It can be used to discredit a bad argument.

It becomes a fallacy when you say Opinion X is wrong because its proponents used fallacious Argument Y.


>Your argument invokes a logical fallacy //

Which of course doesn't mean that he's wrong.

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