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You are committing a fallacy fallacy fallacy. If an argument is fallacious, it definitely is wrong. The proposition supported by that argument might still be right however.


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You are correct. It's not because you use a fallacy in your discourse that you are wrong.

"The fallacy fallacy: You presumed that because a claim has been poorly argued, or a fallacy has been made, that the claim itself must be wrong."


If a fallacy is wrong, wouldn't a fallacy fallacy be right

You are comitting a falacy falacy. Just because an argument is fallacious, doesn't mean it is wrong.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy


Classic fallacy fallacy. The fallacy fallacy is a fallacy that asserts that because an argument is fallacious, the conclusion of the argument is false.

Compare also with Fallacy Fallacy - just because the argument is fallacious, doesn't mean the overall point is wrong.

As good as it is to identify these, it's worth pointing out that another fallacy is the assumption that the point a fallacious argument is trying to prove is wrong because it has a fallacy. It's possible to be right but still commit a fallacy in your argument.

Well, the claim that the opponent must be wrong, because he has committed a fallacy, is the fallacy fallacy...

If an argument is fallacious, it definitely is wrong.

F^4: Not necessarily. For example, some would argue that an argument is not necessarily "wrong" if it is logically sound and produces a correct conclusion, even though it is fallacious because unbeknownst to the participants there is both a false premise and countervailing unknown factor. See Gettier Problems: http://www.iep.utm.edu/gettier/.

F^5: The notion that the Gettier problem is a problem is itself a fallacy? "On the Gettier Problem problem" http://www.unc.edu/~ujanel/Gettier.htm


It's still a fallacy, arguing the fact that fallacious argument can turn out to be true is a fallacy fallacy :)

Identifying errors in reasoning isn't the same as explaining why someone is wrong, though. Given the basic definition of an argument as a structure linking premises to a conclusion, a fallacy is simply a flaw in the structure. It doesn't invalidate the premises or the conclusion, only how they relate to one another. So while you're certainly free to attack the structure behind a conclusion, really you're better off attacking the conclusion itself with an argument of your own.

A false premise isn't a logical fallacy. Arguments can be logically valid yet wrong, and vice versa.

Not quite right: just because an argument is fallacious doesn't mean that the propositions on which it is based are false. Not a single proposition need be false, only the logic.

Argument from authority is always a fallacy. Your conclusion may be correct, but it is not because an authority says so.

It would be the fallacy fallacy if I thought they were wrong, but I don't think they are. I think their reasoning behind their conclusion isn't completely sound, though.

Not at all. You are commiting the fallacy fallacy fallacy: incorrect reasoning about fallacies above first order.

Fallacy fallacy :)

I'm sure I'm guilty of the 'fallacy fallacy'. It is easy to assume a position is wrong because the people who believe it make bad arguments.

Fallacy fallacy?

Merely pointing out a logical fallacy is not itself a fallacy. It can be used to discredit a bad argument.

It becomes a fallacy when you say Opinion X is wrong because its proponents used fallacious Argument Y.

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