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You act as if people should prioritize downloading security updates over actually being able to reliably use their computer. For many people, they want to use their machine first before worrying about security.

And as another sibling commenter mentioned, what about crunchtimes, are those the best times to figure out what works and doesn't?



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If you turn off your machine and never give it a time to install updates except during the day, that's inevitable. Security updates are more important than user convenience for the same reason that vaccines are more important than people's opinions.

The user is not usually in a position to decide if they need updates or not or to judge whether or not they are putting themselves at risk by not updating the machine.

That's a terrible analogy. I have been shaming people for bad security practices and self-righteous ignorance for many years (even before 9/11 ironically!).

I've seen too many people have been wrong and had a bad outcome including complete data loss and in one case livelihood being shot entirely. This isn't a random assertion from thin air. You can't trust people to look after their computers.


There's this weird category of people who think that

- Updates are so important for security you have to install them the second they come out (some are, but most are not), don't you dare even THINK about using outdated/unsupported software that works just fine

- You have no right to mess with the software running on the hardware you own


Are there good reasons for people to not turn on automatic updates for security issues, I wonder?

From reading the other comments, people just don't like having security updates done automatically - they'd like to have more control when they are performed.

Kind of like in Windows, where your computer suddenly shuts down to apply a service pack while you were in the middle of an important World of Warcraft raid that you were planning for weeks.

There's always a trade-off between keeping your system secure and being available. Most people don't like to trade off availability, and it makes sense.


Not everybody has security as first priority. Not to mention the update could introduce security issues itself.

Sorry, I'm not sure I'm parsing this right, you're saying "security updates are necessary and I as a user am going to have worse outcomes for not updating my stuff"?

My personal experience does not match this at all, so is the explanation there that I'm just lucky?


On the other hand users are generally pretty poor at managing software themselves and as long as it works they'll happily and probably ignorantly run something that is not secure already and needs an update.

I think the point is that for those security updates to be properly address, security updates need to be less of a pain to install.

Again, this is conflating security patches with more general updates.

As a personal anecdote, the only serious malware that has ever hit any system I run, as far as I'm aware, was a zero day exploit. The system was fully patched when it was hit. In contrast, the amount of productive time I have spent over the past few years recovering from problems caused by non-security-related software updates that I didn't particularly want but couldn't avoid if I wanted to keep the security patches is probably measured in weeks by now.

I'm all for keeping systems secure, but when updates start to take priority over keeping systems useful, you have a problem. Most security patches are fairly low risk and have few if any unrelated side effects anyway, but that is certainly not the case with modern software updates more generally. Just look at the frustration of browser users with Mozilla constantly rearranging the UI or Google actively removing functionality from Chrome, or of course the number of users who never moved from Windows XP to Vista or from 7 to 8 because the changes weren't considered improvements.

In the brave new world of Windows 10, the average individual user will be stuck with all the updates, security or otherwise, whether they want them or not. There's really no excuse for that, even in a consumer-focussed OS. Install updates by default, so less technical users get what they probably want? Sure. Block even knowledgeable users from choosing whether to install specific updates? The only time that makes a difference is if Microsoft want to force an update that the user does not want.


True, but I don't think that justifies the practice at all.

At the very least, software needs to do what it used to do: make security updates separate from all other updates so users can just get the security bits.


Are you seriously recommending that people disable security updates as though that somehow makes anything better?

Is it actually true? Are the updates really for security and that these companies care about our security so much that they're willing to create a really bad user experience? My dad has an old machine now that is essentially unusable due to updates. The machine is used rarely enough that almost any time it is used some of the software (Windows, the browser or something else) wants to and automatically updates. The problem is that you cannot do anything for 15+ minutes when that machine updates. I guess it keeps him secure by discouraging him from using the computer in the first place.

This is more of a technical problem. If your update either breaks something or leaves gaping security holes, then there is no good solution. I think I would rather inconvenience a customer by turning off functionality than leave a bad vulnerability unpatched, but delay an update if it is not security related.

I don't understand this logic at all. The fixes are being made for a reason... avoiding the update just means you are getting more performance for a less secure system. Are you betting on a law of averages to break in your favor? Hoping you're not a target of hackers? what am I missing with this strategy?

> Quick auto updates are crucial for that. Expert users might dislike them

I don't think anyone is really against quick security-related fixes being delivered with a degree of automation. What most power users dislike is mixing these updates with other ones (typically for commercial reasons).


Why don't you want security updates? Personally, on all OSes I use I just want security updates to happen. My time is too valuable for me to go reading about every minor security update, when I will just install it anyway.

Not everyone cares about security updates.

By all means make the default behaviour apply security updates, but that is very different to forcing updates of all types no matter what.

In any case, for users who do have some idea of what they're doing, OS security updates are probably a relatively low priority today. Frequent robust backups, proper firewalls, and applying security updates to any applications that pull content from remote sources are likely to be more important in practice. If you get to the point where you're relying on your OS to protect you, you've probably already gone wrong at least once. Most desktop OSes won't do much to protect you against threats like data exfiltration anyway, because the security models are nowhere near sophisticated enough.

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