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I think the point is that for those security updates to be properly address, security updates need to be less of a pain to install.


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Anyway, my point is: aren't the security patches enough?

The point is that this is a pretty small portion of all security updates. Compare to iOS, where updating the browser or iMessage (both with very large vulnerability surfaces) requires a system update.

True, but I don't think that justifies the practice at all.

At the very least, software needs to do what it used to do: make security updates separate from all other updates so users can just get the security bits.


If security updates were separate from a bunch of downgrades masquerading as updates, people would apply them more often.

It's easier to do an update with a single security fix rather than an update that rolls in a ton of new functionality that ends up breaking your device. Seen this time and time again with OS/dependency update.

The problem is, security updates should stick to security, and should be clearly separated from feature updates - especially from the ones that remove features.

what about security updates?

What about security updates?

What about security updates?

What about security updates?

what about security updates?

What about security updates?

It sounds like the issues are avoided if you only apply the security updates.

The problem is that they'll use the opportunity to schlep a bunch of non-security related stuff into the update as well. That's the thing that really bothers me about these, that you can't say just the security patches and hold the telemetry/marketing/spyware/adware/crapware/malware/etc.

You mean security updates?

I wouldn't say disabling all security updates is a good solution.

There's a difference between security updates and feature updates.

I understand the will of using new programming tools, but security updates should be the central reason for update. It is not clear how are those managed.

Then manufacturers should fix that problem. The reason people don't like security updates, is that they are tied to feature updates. Most people don't like the new feature updates, and would happily take just the security updates. If users were given that option, I'm betting that a lot of the push-back to updates would drop fast.
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