I encourage you to see the video for yourselves, and then proclaim again that these perbs are swedish. I am even fairly sure that if you asked these people wether they identified as swedish they would decline.
>> According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.
What do you imply exactly? So Swedish police are more likely to suspect you if you are a foreigner, how unexpected.
What is an ethnic swede? Does it have to do with blood purity, skull proportions, or some other definitely racist concept? Or, does it have to do with cultural assimilation and broad acceptance into the ethnic subgroup?
huh well. stuff like this just makes me very insecure at times.
My partner is Swedish but she was born in Hungary I'm currently a resident of Australia but originally from India and plan to move to Sweden sometime later. Both of us speak Swedish are fairly integrated into the culture.
Maybe you're implying that only x% of the population must be born outside, non-ethnical Swedes.
> And even so, how in the world does 1000-year old interactions threaten your world view of Swedish cultural/racial purity and its relevance in modern times?
I don't know, ask the people "[franticly searching] for anything and everything which can be used to 'prove' that Sweden [or anywhere else] has always been a melting pot of different cultures". They're the ones implying this is relevant, and that Vikings not being influenced by Arabic
culture would somehow make white supremacism less stupid.
Also, to add to what several other people have said, modern Arabic, even more so that most illegible scribbles^W^W cursive scripts, is notorious for any random collection of curves looking like a word; I think we're up to three different cases of someone catching a fish with "Allah" written on it's scales. Somehow, I doubt the situation with older Arabic writing systems is any better.
> As stated in the Wikipedia article[2] this is probably one of the most embarrassing moments in Swedish politics.
I checked the linked Wikipedia entry and it didn’t give any context for why this was such an embarrassment. I also searched Google for more info, but the English-only search results didn’t turn up anything useful. I gave up after the first five or so had nothing to add.
I’m curious if you can give a more detailed explanation of why this was such a gaffe. The limited info on this incident isn’t helping me paint a picture of the situation. As it stands, it seems to be a rather harmless request. I’m missing something significant, I think, about the delivery or tone.
Edit: I should clarify that I’m reading this at a time when I am not in a position to follow the YouTube link.
Which is the definition of being an ethnic Swede. He's part of the relatively small Swedish minority in Finland. I was never contesting his Finnish nationality.
> is there a link to an actual government site instead of pictures of a book in Swedish that was published decades ago?
That book was published by the goverment of Sweden. Does the host matter?
In 2005 BRA (Swedish Criminal statistics) published an update saying: "Immigrants’ risk of being registered for crime has not changed in any pronounced way since the previous study conducted by the National Council, which related to the situation at the end of the 1980s"
Link: https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800010674/1...
> it is really difficult to have a serious conversation with someone unable to differentiate between the process of analyzing reasons for crimes and 'justifying' crimes.
Justification: "give grounds for, give reasons for, give a justification for". Pointing at socioeconomic factors is justifying the crimes by allusion to the circumstances of the crime.
Maybe you're confused it with 'condoning' which means something else.
So my point is, do we think we can analyze and find reason for aggravated rape within socioeconomic circumstances?
> Are you saying rich, well educated muslims or african immigrants are still more likely to rape someone than a white person?
This was fairly recent, as I understand it, SVT is the more "reputable" news source and they don't seem to be refuting any of the data. Shortly after the migrant crisis began, Swedish police stopped recording information about the ethnicity of perps.
> The 2005 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention studying 4.4 million Swedes between the ages of 15 and 51 during the period 1997-2001 found that 58.9% of crime suspects were born to two Swedish parents (74.5% of total population), 10.4% of those born to one Swedish parent (9.3% of total population), 5.2% of those born to two foreign parents (3.2% of total population), and 25% of foreign-born individuals (13.1% of total population). The report found that male immigrants were four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than ethnic Swedes. In addition, male immigrants were three times more likely to be investigated for violent assault, and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes
If you don't think WikiPedia is correct feel free to change the lemma, I bet they can use a certified statistician like you with all kinds of sources to prove them wrong. But until then:
Five times as much
And now I need to believe that I'm the one that needs to be corrected?
And another thing: once you split it up to region there's a bigger difference. East Asian and Western immigrants generally have lower or similar statistics compared to natives, meaning there are also groups that exceed the five times average.
Do you think that's what the vast majority of people assume when reading the headline?
Context is everything here. If a headline said "Trump discovers through DNA test he's 100% Swedish," we wouldn't assume your definition of "Swedish." We'd assume it meant genetics.
And likewise, if a headline said, "If you're Swedish you're no longer allowed to own a hunting rifle," you would know pretty easily that meant a citizen of the modern country called Sweden. Because it's about law and how it applies.
In the case of this headline, it is ambiguous. It's fair to say people might assume ethnicity. It's valid to point out that it might not be the case.
There's more reason to not actively suppress talk about what "Swedish" means here: When there's a negative story, people want answers and solutions. If a headline is ambiguous about something, and clearing the ambiguity could get us closer to finding a cause, you're doing something good for everyone. If the perpetrators of the alleged crime here were your every-day indigenous ethnic Swede, you'd assume different causes and different solutions than if it were one of a new arrival from a different country, culture, and ethnicity. Maybe some solutions would be the same, but maybe (and likely) not!
What purpose is there of putting forth this one definition of "Swedish" in exclusion to the others, in the context of this headline and the commenter's pointing out of something true? It only serves to suppress thought.
Sure, its was fairly rememberable since the new reportage went bad since the news reporter tried to address and ask question about the political aspects and the academic economy researcher was very academic about it. When they got the question "why did you do this study when it could be used as political material next election" the answer became something like "we were hired to do a study, and having knowledge about the subject is better than having no knowledge".
I also noticed that I did miss-remember a detail. The time frame was between 1983 and 2015, so 33 years rather than 20 years.
> However, the article here is talking about the H1-B program
Yes, as I wrote that could change the result and if so it would make for a great news. Further studies is something that should be funded as the political environment around immigration is about as bad as it can be. I also believe the argument about immigration as humanitarian aid is a good one and focus the discussion towards reasonable middle ground rather than extremes.
>This has led to the establishment of ethnically segregated areas in many of the larger cities with names like 'lilla Mogadishu' (little Mogadishu), 'lilla Kabul', 'lilla Bagdad' and more.
>Sweden is now a cauldron bubbling with different factions - Afghans, Somalians, Moroccans, Iraqi, Syrians, Turks, Lebanese, Ugandans, Eritreans and more - striving for dominance in different types of organised crime.
>The multicultural 'experiment' has failed spectacularly and disastrously as was foreseen by many but which was not to be spoken of in fear of being labelled a 'racist' or 'nazi'.
> looks like your sampling has a bias error.
>If you don't live in Sweden any more, how do you make friends with the non-Nordics who moved to one of the Nordic countries and decided to stay there?
I live in Sweden and I upvoted bedobi‘s post. I came here with idealistic notions of what Sweden was supposedly like (also encouraged by the myths perpetuated by many expat Swedes that I met), and became disillusioned with the reality pretty quickly.
Now I hate living here but it’s too difficult to leave with a Swedish wife and kids.
I’d say three-quarters of the people that I’ve known through the years who moved here like me, have left by now.
Also I wish people wouldn't constantly be lumping together all the 'Nordic' countries as though they were an interchangeable entity. They have similarities and share similar languages, but the cultural differences are much greater than outsiders appear to think.
In the case of 'friluftsliv' the Norwegian concept is way more generally about hiking in the wilds. (Affluent) Swedes do often spend their summers in a cottage out in the country, but in my experience this involves a pretty static existence in rural surroundings, and physical activity is mostly restricted to going to whatever beach is nearby (either on the coast or an inland lake). I love walking or cycling in the countryside and I'll rarely meet anyone doing the same unless they're walking their dog close to their house.
When I was in Norway it seemed like way more people were interested in putting on a knapsack and heading deep into the forest.
How does that work? How exactly can you tell if someone is Swedish just by looking at them? (Hint: You can't.)
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