Do you think that's what the vast majority of people assume when reading the headline?
Context is everything here. If a headline said "Trump discovers through DNA test he's 100% Swedish," we wouldn't assume your definition of "Swedish." We'd assume it meant genetics.
And likewise, if a headline said, "If you're Swedish you're no longer allowed to own a hunting rifle," you would know pretty easily that meant a citizen of the modern country called Sweden. Because it's about law and how it applies.
In the case of this headline, it is ambiguous. It's fair to say people might assume ethnicity. It's valid to point out that it might not be the case.
There's more reason to not actively suppress talk about what "Swedish" means here: When there's a negative story, people want answers and solutions. If a headline is ambiguous about something, and clearing the ambiguity could get us closer to finding a cause, you're doing something good for everyone. If the perpetrators of the alleged crime here were your every-day indigenous ethnic Swede, you'd assume different causes and different solutions than if it were one of a new arrival from a different country, culture, and ethnicity. Maybe some solutions would be the same, but maybe (and likely) not!
What purpose is there of putting forth this one definition of "Swedish" in exclusion to the others, in the context of this headline and the commenter's pointing out of something true? It only serves to suppress thought.
The term "Swedish" as used in this headline likely implies to many more than just this pedantic and America-centric definition of nationality. It's fair to bring up that point.
I would read that completely differently. The fact that 2.5x more immigrants are 'suspected' reads as a comment on racial profiling. Unless the author clarifies it's hard to read anything into the Sweden stat.
>> According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.
What do you imply exactly? So Swedish police are more likely to suspect you if you are a foreigner, how unexpected.
huh well. stuff like this just makes me very insecure at times.
My partner is Swedish but she was born in Hungary I'm currently a resident of Australia but originally from India and plan to move to Sweden sometime later. Both of us speak Swedish are fairly integrated into the culture.
Maybe you're implying that only x% of the population must be born outside, non-ethnical Swedes.
What is an ethnic swede? Does it have to do with blood purity, skull proportions, or some other definitely racist concept? Or, does it have to do with cultural assimilation and broad acceptance into the ethnic subgroup?
>This has led to the establishment of ethnically segregated areas in many of the larger cities with names like 'lilla Mogadishu' (little Mogadishu), 'lilla Kabul', 'lilla Bagdad' and more.
>Sweden is now a cauldron bubbling with different factions - Afghans, Somalians, Moroccans, Iraqi, Syrians, Turks, Lebanese, Ugandans, Eritreans and more - striving for dominance in different types of organised crime.
>The multicultural 'experiment' has failed spectacularly and disastrously as was foreseen by many but which was not to be spoken of in fear of being labelled a 'racist' or 'nazi'.
Which is the definition of being an ethnic Swede. He's part of the relatively small Swedish minority in Finland. I was never contesting his Finnish nationality.
The real crime? Lockdowns didn't change a darned thing - I wish I could say I'm amazed the press doesn't talk about Sweden at all; sadly at this point I expect them to be biased and interested at protecting the current political narrative more than actually doing their jobs.
> The 2005 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention studying 4.4 million Swedes between the ages of 15 and 51 during the period 1997-2001 found that 58.9% of crime suspects were born to two Swedish parents (74.5% of total population), 10.4% of those born to one Swedish parent (9.3% of total population), 5.2% of those born to two foreign parents (3.2% of total population), and 25% of foreign-born individuals (13.1% of total population). The report found that male immigrants were four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than ethnic Swedes. In addition, male immigrants were three times more likely to be investigated for violent assault, and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes
If you don't think WikiPedia is correct feel free to change the lemma, I bet they can use a certified statistician like you with all kinds of sources to prove them wrong. But until then:
Five times as much
And now I need to believe that I'm the one that needs to be corrected?
And another thing: once you split it up to region there's a bigger difference. East Asian and Western immigrants generally have lower or similar statistics compared to natives, meaning there are also groups that exceed the five times average.
No, he's implicitly claiming that the crimes are disproportionally committed by immigrants and refugees, who are disproportionally not Christian. The following article (note the URL), after mutch hemming and hawing, manages to spit out the sentence:
According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.
Rapidly qualified by statements about income of course: In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden.
Crying RACIST! at everyone who points this out may be effective in silencing them but it doesn't make it any less true, and it doesn't make the pro-immigration side any less obligated to explain why Sweden is obligated to accept this. It may well be that it's the right thing to do, but using accusations of racism instead of actual moral reasoning, such as, "if we didn't accept them they would be persecuted" is intellectually dishonest.
> Swedish nationality law determines entitlement to Swedish citizenship. Citizenship of Sweden is based primarily on the principle of jus sanguinis. In other words, citizenship is conferred primarily by birth to a Swedish parent, irrespective of place of birth.
> In general, children born in Sweden to foreign parents do not acquire Swedish citizenship at birth, although if they remain resident in Sweden they may become citizens later on.
you are twisting what people write, putting words in their mouth and intentional side track the original argument which was about the formulation of the title to one which assumes it's about the content of the article
and no matter how much you insist that grate crime is all equality bad the situation a country is in when there are frequent assassination attempts by bomb and the situation Sweden is in is VERY different
so if you are not Swedich newspaper it's a good idea to add the necessary context when writing about it, which is impossible in the title, so you use a more generic title
Context is everything here. If a headline said "Trump discovers through DNA test he's 100% Swedish," we wouldn't assume your definition of "Swedish." We'd assume it meant genetics.
And likewise, if a headline said, "If you're Swedish you're no longer allowed to own a hunting rifle," you would know pretty easily that meant a citizen of the modern country called Sweden. Because it's about law and how it applies.
In the case of this headline, it is ambiguous. It's fair to say people might assume ethnicity. It's valid to point out that it might not be the case.
There's more reason to not actively suppress talk about what "Swedish" means here: When there's a negative story, people want answers and solutions. If a headline is ambiguous about something, and clearing the ambiguity could get us closer to finding a cause, you're doing something good for everyone. If the perpetrators of the alleged crime here were your every-day indigenous ethnic Swede, you'd assume different causes and different solutions than if it were one of a new arrival from a different country, culture, and ethnicity. Maybe some solutions would be the same, but maybe (and likely) not!
What purpose is there of putting forth this one definition of "Swedish" in exclusion to the others, in the context of this headline and the commenter's pointing out of something true? It only serves to suppress thought.
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