And can't the numbers be, I dunno, audited?!!?!!? WTF. Like, did all these numbers just get spit out to a jury and then these people were prosecuted? How in the hell?????
I was referring to the same miscreants as the poster was.
It’s only plausible to a certain point that they were unknowingly bad actors. They’d have to willingly be deluding themselves.
No one commits multi-billion dollar fraud accidentally.
They’d have to turn a blind eye to something any reasonable person would consider a ‘are we the baddies’ moment. Or two. Or dozens.
As to if it’s documented? One can hope, but I’m not holding my breath. I’m sure there have been many shredder parties (or digital equivalents) happening in many places since the news broke.
Here's the thing - all this and they've announced ZERO arrests.
Whatever the heck they are doing, they are spending a fortune, eroding everyone's privacy forever, and accomplishing nothing.
Can't wait for a few years when they get hacked and a foreign government steals all the data. Of course we will never know because whomever leaks that it happened will end up in gitmo or be Bradley Manning'd.
This country has lost its freaking mind since 9/11
Right, there are tons of things still going on. The report doesn't help other than to publicly say that there are a lot of not-innocent people involved.
What amazes me about things like this is that there are so many ways for relevant information to leak out but until revelations reach critical mass the fraud can continue unabated.
Also, every specific denial by Clapper and his supporters is getting refuted. I'm interested in who will be revealed to be the victim of some compaign using the porn-browsing habits, and what corporation(s) will be revealed to have benefitted and been victimized by economic espionage.
Most innocent people on this list wouldn't have standing to get removed from this list because they wouldn't have been able to prove they were on it before it was leaked.
Realistically though, can you imagine there being so many CEOs knowing that this thing is going on and being forced to lie about it, and not one of them spilling the beans?
Even if the gov tries to arrest them for leaking classified information, they'd be near-impossible to convict following the inevitable massive public outcry.
So case 1. Misconduct happened in 2004 when an automated system blocked him from searching for information on his own telehpone number. Only came to light in 2011, 7 years later. Either nobody checks these automated blocks or they are not even logged. Retired, DoJ declined prosecution, and the internal review apparently didn't manage to order any disciplinary action within a year.
Case number 2. Retired without disciplinary or legal action, referral to DoJ was merely discussed. Again, investigation only began two years later based on self reporting.
Case number 3. The legal arithmetic yields foreign for foreign national + US citizen. Any interaction with foreign nationals will render all of that communication fully recordable and accessible by anyone, without apparently any meaningful audits. Another self report.
Case number 4. Only came to light because the victim had both (1) suspicion and (2) access to government officials with the right position in the chain of command.
Case number 5. Misconduct spans two years.
Case number 6. Another polygraph self-report.
I don't even want to read any further. There seem to be no audit systems at all in place. The only system in place is the one that, hilariously, self-selects for terrible employees: the polygraph. Smokes and mirrors from the 20th century. And this is just the ultra high level view, the tidbits that make it to senators.
There is no way those 450k are not being traced right now like a hell, most likely it was allowed just because investigation said so, its matter of time now
Shame we have the data from nearly a hundred million witnesses, and yet the feds still won't put together a racketeering case and go after these mobsters.
Where is some data on these people who knew how to file things like you are saying? Perhaps an examination of this and bringing it to public light will bring some real change?
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