I would love you to find me a source for millions of non enemy combatant deaths directly caused by the US.
Notice that I never said that the US hasn't committed shameful human rights abuses. I'd be happy to discuss them. Most are taught in schools, like Kent State in which 4 students were killed. Do the Chinese teach about Tiananmen, where hundreds were killed?
If you seriously want to compare the US to one of the bloodiest nations in the history of the world, I'll take that comparison any day.
I'm interested what numbers you're pulling that tell the story of the US doing more harm (define harm?) to innocent civilians versus, just the first example that comes to mind, the uyghur genocide.
The US has not killed millions of people in the last 15 years that is just a blatantly false statement. A quick search on Google or Wikipedia will refute your claim instantly.
Can you provide a decent source for your millions of casualties claim or for you claim about the US toppling more Governments than Russia/China? I bet you can’t.
Judging by your username I believe you know some things about history. Why spread false info?
Please provide sources for the millions of deaths. Your post sounds like an anti-capitalist screed more than an argument against US military hegemony. Consider that alternative of world war and Russian or Chinese imperialism.
The US has killed in excess of a million people in the Middle East. Around 650 000 people died as a result of the Iraq War, around 50 000 in Afghanistan, around 400 000 in Syria and around 20 000 in Lybia.
Of course, neither were purely by the US but rather by a Coalition, but none of them would have happened if it wasn't for the US.
I also include deaths from destruction of infrastructure and subsequent power vacuums, as is customary for crimes against humanity.
The US isn't concerned with civilian casualties. Of course, it wouldn't go out of its way to inflict them, but it simply pays no regard to them, no matter what their scale. Look at US actions in Laos, Cambodia, and Libya for direct instances of this, where hundreds of thousands of people were killed because of US actions.
Well, the US has had 3k or so killed in the past 15 years. In response it killed hundreds of thousands and caused widespread devastation and misery in several foreign wars.
These wars created multiple large transnational extremist anti-US movements that now have advanced military equipment, are skilled veterans of war, and are spreading their influence to neighboring countries.
The the US government allows these stats to be researched at all, much less put into writing. It's always been obvious the vast majority of deaths in US involvement overseas are innocents, including a lot of women and children. The 90% figure surprises me not at all.
Can’t say it’s much more than the US caused, when you count slavery, the extermination of native people, CIA backed coups, the prison complex and capitalism among others. But if the US does it it’s called “bringing freedom and democracy”, so those deaths dont seem to count.
1 million dead civilians caused directly by US imperialism is still a lot of accidental deaths. To the point where intentions are completely irrelevant
Just go a step further and claim that US interference in other countries' sovereignity, and acting as world police caused God knows how many deaths and leave it at that.
The US suffered around 58k casualties during the Vietnam war. Nearly as many people domestically are dying each year from opioid overdoses. In 2017, that number was 47k. Now compare and contrast this with 9/11, which killed roughly 3k. If you believe the government's bald faced lies, that should be a great enough loss of life to spur them into action. Yet there's nothing substantial being done to fix this. Keep in mind here that 9/11 is supposedly what got us the Patriot Act and legalized sexual assault in airports.
So not only am I saying the US government doesn't care about civilian mistreatment, they actively encourage it by turning a blind eye to corporate greed. North Korea does bad things, but it doesn't matter because nobody talking about is actually willing to help those people. So they're just pawns for you to signal about. No policy is impacted it whatsoever.
> I would love you to find me a source for millions of non enemy combatant deaths directly caused by the US.
The US killed roughly 20% of the population of North Korea with direct targeted bombings of civilian centers and infrastructure.[1] They destroyed so much of the country that they ran out of targets. Civilian death estimates for North Korea alone start around 1.5 million.
"We went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, someway or another, and some in South Korea too." — General Curtis LeMay
Nobody said Americans don't die too, just that the US values American lives much above other human lives. For really obvious illustrations of this fact see for instance the Irak war (pick one), or migrant deaths along the US - Mexico border.
It is not surprising to me. If you read over this entire thread you'll see that I acknowledge that the US has blood on its hands but I also argue that we have made considerable progress in foreign policy particularly with regard to how we treat civilian casualties. This, and the critical difference of 'intent,' is something conveniently ignored by those who want to hand-wave away the difference between the foreign policy of Western countries and the actions of extremists who indiscriminately murder un-armed civilians routinely and without warning. It is a false equivalence.
Notice that I never said that the US hasn't committed shameful human rights abuses. I'd be happy to discuss them. Most are taught in schools, like Kent State in which 4 students were killed. Do the Chinese teach about Tiananmen, where hundreds were killed?
If you seriously want to compare the US to one of the bloodiest nations in the history of the world, I'll take that comparison any day.
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